Selective homophobia
I am gay but I increasingly find I am rather homophobic.

This doesn't mean I hate myself and my boyfriend (well, sometimes) but that I tend to steer clear of men who are obviously gay and seem to be trying to make a profession out of it.

Bloody poofs.
(BearWithLittleBrain, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 14:42, 25 replies)

Indeed.
I recently described myself as "campophobic".
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 14:46, closed)

The only thing worse than camp gay men...
...is camp straight ones.

There are men out there who'd out-camp Duncan Norvelle but who seem to use it as a way of pulling women. Presumably the unthreatening all-girls-together vibe they give off can easily lead to "ooh Nooo! You've got LOVELY boobs! What do you think of my willy?" over the eighteenth glass of Campari and soda.
( shinyshinyscalp less a man, more a way of life, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 16:38, closed)

i dislike gay men who can't avoid sounding like graham norton on nitrous oxide
in the same way i can't stand heterosexual men who can't be straight without going 'phwoooar' or 'man the harpoons' at every female that passes, and decry everything pink, non football related and possibly sensitive to the emotions of others, as 'gay'
seriously, if the only thing you can find to define your persona is which gender you want to bump uglies with, you need to reappraise yourself, big-time.
(UppityDamnPrimate LET'S OPEN THIS F*CKING PIT UP, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 14:48, closed)

Entirely this.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 14:50, closed)

I like your increasingly complex offensi-sig

( Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 14:56, closed)

Thanks!
It's a nightmare on the upkeep!
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 14:58, closed)

In Ricky Gervais's words
"You don't have to make a song and dance about it"

But i am being unfair. If a man feels happier talking in a camp voice, then good on him. His choice.

It does raise the point though - at what point after coming out does said person think "well, i'd better start speaking like a gay man too". And does he practice in private before he uses his new voice in public? and are his friends/relations a bit mystified by this? I wonder the same thing about kids who suddenly start talking "urban" overnight.


*EDIT and also - why don't lezzers have "an accent".
( 100% Cock Raw like carrots., Thu 1 Apr 2010, 14:56, closed)

It's a social thing
and lezzers do. Believe me, guv.
( Michael Ellis contributes nothing, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 14:59, closed)

They do
it's Ray Winstone
( Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 14:59, closed)

I wish to point out
that I think this response by me was extrmemely funny and deserves more attention.

*waves arms*
( Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 15:27, closed)

I'm thick
And didn't get it.
( 100% Cock Raw like carrots., Thu 1 Apr 2010, 15:35, closed)

I'm making up a joke
with the words "thick" "cock" and "didn't get it".

It'll probably be rude. I'll post it when I'm finished.
( Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 15:39, closed)

I love camp men.
They bring a little bit of sunshine into the world.
( girlinthehole, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 15:04, closed)

But not-camp-men who are putting on the camp
are often (but not always) a shower of piss in an otherwise sunny day.
( Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 15:06, closed)

Isn't the plural
pooves ?
( Ramsay Tupper, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 15:04, closed)

No, it's YOUR MUM

( Michael Ellis contributes nothing, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 15:05, closed)

Check and also mate

( Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 15:06, closed)

Haaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 15:08, closed)

Apparently
there was a guy in my brother's sixth-form class who came out while still at school and the very next day started speaking like Julian Clary. Everyone was allegedly fine with him being gay, which supports the theory that the less of a reaction people have, the more newly-out guys will camp it up.
( .Yeti. El amor en los tiempos del cólera, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 15:51, closed)

And hence the "only gay in the village" syndrome.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 15:58, closed)

I have a few theories about teh gay
It was always the guys from smaller towns/villages who were the campest, when I were a student. Which suggested the more they had to repress or hide it when young, the more they felt they had to express it. Gay guys from bigger cities were generally better adjusted, and less, ahem, flamboyant.

Another theory is that it's not unusual* for adolescents to have "feelings" for someone of the same sex, even though they are heterosexual really. But identity politics insists that you "are" homosexual, rather than having homosexual feelings etc, so some young people pigeon-hole themselves too young as being something they're not. Again, when a student, I saw some people (male and female) come out and be all loud and proud. They did the whole Peter Tatchell thing, militant queer etc. Now they're married with kids. I think Bret Easton Ellis riffs on this in Lunar Park, amongst other books. It's just another form of rebellion - and the louder and gayer (in a safe environment, like a student union for example), the more extreme the rebellion. It's all bollocks of course.

*Not based on my own experiences. Oh no.
(McChinaman banned, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 16:26, closed)

^This is basically true^

(MSB Load universe into cannon. Aim at brain. Fire., Thu 1 Apr 2010, 20:25, closed)

or alternately
people could stop labelling themselves, and treat people as people and judge them on that basis of attractiveness. Think we're a bit far away from that though
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 1 Apr 2010, 23:13, closed)

There is such a thing as bisexuality, you know
It's a concept ideally suited for this example.

Still, there are other reasons why you might want to be extra camp in smaller towns/villages. If you're looking for a bit of same sex action, there has to be a way of indicating to anyone that way inclined that you're available.

In large cities there's typically venues/groups/organisations where anyone queer can meet, so appearance is less of an issue. You'll still find people who insist an adhering to a particular subculture, but that's ok, because there are plenty others who'll probably be interested in whatever you are.

It really isn't necessarily rebellion, but other places than b3ta are more appropriate to discuss sexual identity and politics.
(syllopsium, Fri 2 Apr 2010, 19:05, closed)

Not exactly sure if this is on topic
but a lesbian friend of mine told me the other day that she had a boyfriend.

She actually seemed more confused than I was.
(Legion, Sat 3 Apr 2010, 9:14, closed)