Sales.
Everyone in a sales department is a backstabbing, hateful cunt who'll tell any lie they have to in order to get a sale. Anything after the sale is someone else's problem (i.e mine).

Also sales get pizza on Friday while we work late providing all the shit they promised without actually thinking about what we could actually provide.

Bastards.
(Scritty Bakerman., Thu 27 May 2010, 12:56, 11 replies)

You're in a job right?
...well if people weren't selling shit that you can't provide you wouldn't have a job, think of your sales guys as keeping you in circuit boards, hard drives and needless networking equipment.... they are all bastards though
(TwinkleFuckingToes Has a ingrown toe nail, Thu 27 May 2010, 12:59, closed)

I work in sales......
....and I am a bastard, but think of it this way: If we didn't get the pizza then you'd wouldn't be working late.....in fact you wouldn't be working at all. It's a well known fact that cheese laiden salespeople perform better. I personally subscribe to the lunch time drinking method also.
( The only Dave is pushing things forward, Thu 27 May 2010, 13:11, closed)

Actually
Pretty soon everything is going to collapse under the collective weight of utter bullshit that's been spun. We're hemorrhaging pissed-off customers and losing our revenue stream at a rate of knots. Everyone with half an ounce of sense is getting the hell out of here.

And the sales guys are able to claim they were able to bring massive contracts on board while our manager is making excuses instead of standing up for us all and saying that sales promised about fifty million dollars of services more than we were able to provide without losses.

On the positive side I've got a couple jobby type prospects. We'll see how that pans out
(Scritty Bakerman., Thu 27 May 2010, 13:13, closed)

I know where you are coming from.....
.....I believe it's called Capitalism!

On a serious note, I try to do things properly. A good sales person leaves a trail of destruction behind them, a great one leave no trace.
( The only Dave is pushing things forward, Thu 27 May 2010, 13:26, closed)

I work in Sales too for a Masssive IT company
the great thing about working here is that I don't have to lie, we pretty much sell everything and every kind of service.... its amazing
(TwinkleFuckingToes Has a ingrown toe nail, Thu 27 May 2010, 14:26, closed)

So you mean in YOUR sales department...
I am indeed a salesman and I've got to admit I am a cunt of the highest order, but I can't lie to customers or I'd get sacked!

Also if I wasn't selling shit how would other people in my organisation get paid?

Still doesn't mitigate the fact that I'm a bastard, but cut some slack! I couldn't do the kind of job that the accounts guys do, or the R&D and I don't claim to be able to, or bleat about it when accounts do something wrong - if I could do their job then believe me I would do, Sales isn't the land of milk and honey.
(Super Oaf Petit filous?, Thu 27 May 2010, 13:37, closed)

Sales is the reason all you lot of have jobs
No company survives without good salespeople. Like me.

Sales is very hard, takes very long hours and hard graft. We bring in all the dough though, so we're well paid (if we're good). Sales guys are also outgoing, confident and bouncy so we tend to celebrate a lot on Fridays. We play football then go on the lash. Fuck pizza, we like drink!
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Thu 27 May 2010, 14:14, closed)

Can't disagree
Sales is absolutely necessary, and hard work, and to be really truly good at it you need to have a soul bypass.

The real twats are the directors who sack all the good sales people and farm everything out to a hive of minimum-wage call-centre drones who get told they work in sales when all they do is read aloud from a script that appears on a computer screen in front of them, and dare not deviate from it lest their supervisor listen in. "Recorded for training purposes" is code for "recorded as evidence for the disciplinary hearing every time anyone ever deviates from the script".

Scripts are for actors. Real selling is a performance art, for sure, but it's not simply reading from a script.
( shinyshinyscalp less a man, more a way of life, Fri 28 May 2010, 13:46, closed)

My experiences with sales departments has obviously been different.
There might be nice, honest salesfolk out there.
I have not met them.
I do however work in IT.

Take from that what you will.

If you are an honest, competent saleschap, good on ya. I wish I had your pizza.
(Scritty Bakerman., Thu 27 May 2010, 14:43, closed)

Hey don't take it badly
I meet and speak with all manner of unspeakable sales types, who would literally sell their mother for a bonus but we need to temper that attitude really.

I can well believe that you've had terrible experiences with salespeople - everyone has, and you're fully entitled to your opinionf

*fluff fluff fluff*
(Super Oaf Petit filous?, Thu 27 May 2010, 15:11, closed)

I recognise this.
In my experience, the members of our sales force who complain the most about our (the administration team's) level of service are the ones going round to the customers making ridiculous promises and giving out wrong information in the hope of getting a sale. When we can't give them what they've been promised suddenly it's our fault.

Strangely, the people in sales who understand the product and give realistic information to customers find that we're actually pretty good at our jobs...
( yes yes yes man oi mate, someone's writtten 'bum' on your neck, Mon 31 May 2010, 14:17, closed)