men and woman are not equal
Sorry but not in any society aside from a few remote tribes where a matriarchal system is favoured. But that’s rare.

In one way or another, in most set ups women get the raw deal. Religion plays a major part in this, western society flip flaps about but the worst aspect of this is the sheer terror of suggesting men and women have different brains. Tens of thousands of years of hunter gatherer tribes have meant men have some skills that women have less of and vice versa. Men can throw a rock at a moving target and have a far better chance of hitting it. Women know what a particular baby cry means – tired hungry wet etc. Both are equal in their importance in our survival but hard to reconcile with modern society.

If we are ever to have true equality we must first of all accept that we are not the same. Men and women’s brains are every bit as different as their genitals.

There are very few female fighter pilots for the same reason very few nursery school teachers are called Steve. Different heads. Different skills. Both crucial.

We'll only be equal when we embrace our differences.

And you try explaining that to a bloody woman. Fucking nightmare.
(omnishambles ™ has been fucking things up big style since, Mon 28 Dec 2009, 3:04, 17 replies)

Well well
I've got no idea what any sound a baby makes means and no desire to find out. In fact I'd bet pretty heavily that you've got more experience and expertise in that matter than I.

Our brains and bodies are indeed different. No arguement there, but the suggestion that that leads to women being suited to stay home with the baby while you go and bring home the kill/money is ludicrous and frankly insulting.

No click from me today omni.
(misskitty reeks of sex and turpentine; laudanum afternoons, Mon 28 Dec 2009, 4:21, closed)

If the words "on average" was used, then the argument stands
There are some women that are not maternal, just as some men are shit at hitting moving targets.

The women that are not maternal have a just as important role than those that are. On average, they are more fun :-)
( Piper Alpha is being a grumpy northerm bastard on:, Mon 28 Dec 2009, 6:26, closed)

I don't think non-maternal women are more fun.
We're just available for more fun.
( girlinthehole, Mon 28 Dec 2009, 8:28, closed)

You do know what sound a crying baby makes, and you are more sensitive to it than a man. That's the way you are wired. [Unless you are a woman with a masculine patterened brain or vice-versa]. Experience and expertise are not relevant, as they are obviously learned, not part of fundamental differences.
I don't understand how Omni is insulting when it's accurate for every other organism on the planet [with some notable exceptions, natch].
It's also accurate for us. The difference occurs when we attempt to extend beyond the capabilities evolution has furnished us with using intellect.
Men are better at some things than women, and women are better at some things than men. That's sensible, accurate, well-proven and incontrovertible.

What makes everything so complicated is that as homo sapiens we use our intellect to make everything we do easier, faster, more effective.
Until you take the factor of intellect out of the equation there can be no accurate comparison of male-female ability. Nor should there be because it's pretty much pointless these days, but to deny fundamental differences is blinkered and unscientific.

Evolution has, over millions of years, designed women to care for children, and men to hunt. Nowadays of course this is meaningless as our intellects have allowed us to rise above set gender roles. The difference still exists, and will for a good while yet.

Apologies for lack of teh funneh - clunge.
(NiplyTheElder tried to slip clunge into a conversation on, Mon 28 Dec 2009, 12:32, closed)

Yes I do know what sound a crying baby makes
A fucking annoying one. The point was that I wouldn't be able to differentiate the meanings of the cries and couldn't care less. Other peoples spawn are gross and I don't have any of my own nor plans to make them.
(misskitty reeks of sex and turpentine; laudanum afternoons, Tue 29 Dec 2009, 4:00, closed)

the suggestion that that leads to women being suited to stay home with the baby while you go and bring home the kill/money is ludicrous and frankly insulting.
yes it is - which i why i didn't make it
(omnishambles ™ has been fucking things up big style since, Mon 28 Dec 2009, 14:17, closed)

and you also missed the irony in the last line
female trait that is
(omnishambles ™ has been fucking things up big style since, Mon 28 Dec 2009, 14:20, closed)

Wow. I created a shit storm.
I was just having a friendly go at omni, which I had hoped he would have realised. He's got enough practice at it by now....

In reply to his above post :P

I'm actually thinking of posting my theory of women being shit drivers as their tits get in the way of steering but right now I'm off to the doctor so maybe later.
(misskitty reeks of sex and turpentine; laudanum afternoons, Tue 29 Dec 2009, 3:56, closed)

Doctor?
Minge issues, by any chance?
(Rsoles, Tue 29 Dec 2009, 13:33, closed)

Um, no.
Lung infection actually.
(misskitty reeks of sex and turpentine; laudanum afternoons, Thu 31 Dec 2009, 7:03, closed)

It's probably
due to a minge problem though, somewhere along the line, we'd best have a look. Trust me, I'm a doctor.






Well, I was, till I got struck off.......
(Rsoles, Thu 31 Dec 2009, 12:44, closed)

You're confusing equality with sameness.
Also, the idea that male and female brains are radically different is false. There might be a few minor differences, but even that's controversial. And you're utterly ignoring the possibility that a straight male/ female distinction covers everything; it doesn't. There're all kinds of intersex permutations, and comparatively few people are likely to be "wholly" male or female (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean - there's nothing male or female about a chromosome, for example).
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 28 Dec 2009, 10:10, closed)

Sorry, but that's just not true. They are [in general, natch]different. There's little controversy in the scientific community, but there is controversy over how to interpret the results, and obviously when a tabloid gets hold of them.
The wiki 'sex and intelligence' and 'biology of gender' pages are a good start for collections of research, the articles are bit average.

Edit: That was not meant to be anywhere near as patronising as it sounded, I'm starting to sound like my Dad ffs.
(NiplyTheElder tried to slip clunge into a conversation on, Mon 28 Dec 2009, 12:51, closed)

And the difference between science and the interpretation of results is what, exactly?
Inasmuch, that is, as the latter presupposes the former...

What neurological differences there are are small; and, within a machine as complex as the brain, exactly what they mean is something about which we're sketchy at best...

The confusion of sameness and equality is still there, however you answer the neurological question, of course; Neanderthal brains were much more different from h. sapiens brains than female human brains are from male, yet that tells us nothing about what their comparative moral or social status would've been had both species of human survived.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 28 Dec 2009, 14:29, closed)

stop being a science twat
men and womens brains are near identical lumps of kit

its a software issue

we all know that

you try de-installing the handbag hormone, or distrupting the electrical signals to the shoe synapt
(omnishambles ™ has been fucking things up big style since, Mon 28 Dec 2009, 19:58, closed)

If
they are nearly identical, why does a female brain (of nearly all species) weigh one third less than a male brain?
(dchurch bah, Fri 1 Jan 2010, 21:58, closed)

because in general women weigh a third less than men?
except in Newcastle obv
(omnishambles ™ has been fucking things up big style since, Sat 2 Jan 2010, 15:26, closed)