ok i have a geeky html type question... since there's been a few up here today.

is it right to love tables, and hate div's ?

what does current coding practice dictate regarding these elements ?

/always uses tables, never divs.

as for frames, well i see them as ok as long there's no scrollbars.
/hypocrite

edit: seems that there are still mixed opinions here. i think i'll try to make a div/css site and see if life gets any easier.
( sex and dougs and rock n roll, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 13:57, archived)

it's perfectly OK to love tables
as long as it is consensual and you take appropriate precautions against venereal diseases and splinters
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:00, archived)

Oh whore!

( Tiggy Twitchin', Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:02, archived)

Your muzzle!

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:04, archived)

your gay!

( Tiggy Twitchin', Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:09, archived)

*bumrapes*
Ahhh ... comme j'adore les "sloppy seconds"
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:12, archived)

i saw a porn once
where a guy cums in this birds bumhole and she squeezes it into a cup and drinks it.

*goes and finds cup*
( Tiggy Twitchin', Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:19, archived)

preferably the old school ones
with a recessed ink well.
( Jay, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:07, archived)

paedo

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:09, archived)

Tables suck ass.
They confuse search engines (mildly, admittedly), require shitloads of code to do a very simple job, and require you to edit every page of a site if you want to change the layout.

There's more, but I can't be arsed. Tables should be used for displaying tabulated data, and not for laying out web pages.

This has been a public service announcement on behalf of the W3C
( supermoore: HUNG, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:01, archived)

I respectfully disagree.
that is all.
( newg rum n coke, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:03, archived)

to be frank, if you desinged the site properly in the first place, you wouldn't need to change the layout.
( sex and dougs and rock n roll, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:09, archived)

So you build your site
and over 5-6 years you never ever want to change anything about the layout? Unlikely. What if you have a new product or service you want to add? Or a new dynamic feature? If it's in tables you probably have to scrap the lot.

Plus, all the format information has to load with every page instead of just cacheing from a CSS file once on your first hit.
( supermoore: HUNG, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:13, archived)

good information
and do you have bee in bonnet sydrome today sir
( Wildheart Baby. Drunken Mess In A Good Way, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:52, archived)

web browsers for the blind
dont like you using tables

learnt that at uni dontcha know

you can tell because its such a pointless piece of information
( comrade yannovski and then, of course, there was the schnapps monkey, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:02, archived)

This is true
and an important consideration if you're taking money off someone to design a site.
( supermoore: HUNG, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:03, archived)

that really only applies
if you have shitloads of tables.

there's really no need to have any more than 4-5 tables on a page anyway.

/learnt that at college.
( newg rum n coke, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:06, archived)

There's really no need to have any.
:P
( supermoore: HUNG, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:07, archived)

what would you suggest as an alternative
for laying out your page?
( newg rum n coke, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:09, archived)

CSS

( supermoore: HUNG, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:11, archived)

ok, good dicussion
but strictly, do you mean that each part of the webpage would be enclosed in a DIV, and that each DIV part is assigned a class, then you use the CSS to specify the layout and properties of each class of DIV's ?

edit: how else would you split up the sections ?
( sex and dougs and rock n roll, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:19, archived)

For an example
look here: www.44media.com/whatwedo.html

which is controlled by this: www.44media.com/style.css

Not a table in sight. The source code is tiny.
( supermoore: HUNG, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:21, archived)

that's a yes then
ok, fair enough.
( sex and dougs and rock n roll, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:23, archived)

I remember the good old days of tables,
but do give css a chance.
I'm currently learning with the aid of this tutorial: veerle.duoh.com/comments.php?id=208_0_2_10_C
which am nice for blog-stylee sites.
I'm rather please by how it's turning out.
( Kamikaze Stoat £4.09, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:23, archived)

I love tables
best of all the elements, etc.

Div layers piss me off. 100% humble(ish) opinion.
( Newington, Fri 10 Sep 2004, 14:27, archived)