*ahem*
"Given that carbon-14 exists within all sources of carbon, and thus cannot be avoided, it stands that exposure to carbon in general is proportionate to risk for cancer. Smoke, soot, acids, nitrogen-carbon compounds (in many industrial pollutants) are all known carcinogens. Neutron irradiation of nitrogen in the upper atmosphere leads to the formation of carbon-14, linking it to the presence of ultraviolet light."

No. No. NO.

You are talking about carbon atoms in the make-up of cells. "exposure to carbon" does not result in "carbon atoms being miraculously incorporated into basic cellular structure"

that generally comes from metabolism of carbon-based food sources. So if you've worked out a way of metabolising soot, you've done a fuck sight more than cure cancer. Otherwise, I suggest a serious re-appraisal of your theory. Interesting work on the moths, mind.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:26, archived)

Oh, this too
I ignored that bit
( Cap'n Tallbeard, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:28, archived)

Go on... FUCK HIM UP.

( The Gentleman Bastard waxing lyrical. ©, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:30, archived)

This doesn't require braininess
it requires a good 'Fuck off you cock end'

Hello you
( Blue Star was working part time at the 5 and Dime, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:30, archived)

Stop being clever
This is the internet, only psuedoscience is allowed.
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:31, archived)

fuck, yeah, I forgot that.
I'll go back to wanking and "tits or GTFO", shall I?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:36, archived)

*raises eyebrow*
*chuckles*
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:39, archived)

And even if they were metabolised,
the very low natural abundance of ¹⁴C would make cell damage due to radioactive emissions an extreme improbability.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:33, archived)

STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT.

( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:35, archived)

If you have a question, you can ask it in a civilized manner instead of giddily poking at loopholes in my logic like a schoolgirl.

I mean exposure in the environmental sense, not simply exposure to the skin. Pollutants make their way into water supplies, smoke settles on surfaces and is inhaled as dust, then swallowed.

It may be insignificant, but C14 is an extremely potent carcinogen. I'm still amazed we don't ALL get cancer.
( Digeridude Lord Wellington's Beef Trapeze, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:35, archived)

*gets popcorn*
*settles down on sofa*
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:41, archived)

You know, I used to like you on the main board and in QOTW.
Why the attitude towards a complete stranger?
( Digeridude Lord Wellington's Beef Trapeze, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:44, archived)

I happen to know what Mighty Badger does for a living.

( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:45, archived)

This isn't an argument between him and me. I know what he does as well, but your point is invalid.
Stop attacking a stranger. I'd rather not talk to you.
( Digeridude Lord Wellington's Beef Trapeze, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:55, archived)

well then don't claim you've cured cancer
you pillock. You haven't. Even if your data is right, there's tiny chance you've blocked one route of unrestricted replication. What about acclerated cell growth? defective apoptosis routes? site-spectific mutagenesis? external mutagenesis agents? You're not even scratching the surface.

You should also know, I would have thought, that insect data is more or less meaningless in mammals anyway. Different cellular replication pathways.

And in any case, method of exposure is irrelevant. repeat after me. WE. CAN'T. METABOLISE. SOOT. OR. SMOKE. So, tell me again how you think C14 is planning to incorporate itself into your basic celluar structure to do this damage?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:43, archived)

It uses glue and a shoe-horn.

( Druid, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:47, archived)

1. 37kDa is present and has identical function in humans and many insects.

2. I didn't say I cured all cancer for everyone. I cured 64% of a sample of MOTHS, so obviously there are countless routes to still take.

3. There is carbon in your body. It doesn't have to be incorporated into any cellular structure. It merely has to be in some proximity of ATP synthase.

4. The human digestive tract is imperfect and carbon can be metabolized when bonded to hyrdrogen.

5. Simple chemical reactions can disassociate carbon from hydrogen.

6. Stop calling names, it just makes you sound like a child.
( Digeridude Lord Wellington's Beef Trapeze, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 18:52, archived)

If you think calling you a pillock is bad
you're a wee bit sensitive.

1) no it doesn't.

2) semantics. you didn't cure it. you stopped some unrestriceted cell replication

3) exactly how far do you think an electron from C14 decay will travel? it's nanometres. if it's not in the cellular structure it won't get near ATP synthase.

4) no it can't. it needs a C-O bond for metabolism

5) eh? what does that matter?

6) I'm more than willing to hold a serious conversation with someone who doesn't usually post fabricated bullshit on here. My apologies for judging you on the basis of your previous posts. If you want a serious discussion, Gaz me.

i'm off to the pub. have to at least pretend to have an offline social life..
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 19:02, archived)

All you've done is contradict every claim without offering an explanation.
You've clearly developed a sour disposition in response to my apparent knowledge of biology. If it makes you feel better, I'll admit my biology is weak - I'm aware of that.

I'm an engineer, and this was something I thought was interesting.

Edit: Why is everyone I talk to a drunk?
( Digeridude Lord Wellington's Beef Trapeze, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 19:08, archived)

I'm an engineer too
why would it make me feel better? this isn't a game of one-upmanship. Any progress in this area is fucking important. But you flippantly put forward something as progress which isn't. I don't understand what explanation you want? you've stated facts that are wrong. There isn't any explanation. Sorry if that offends. I don't have a sour disposition. I've spent 13 years of my life working with cancers and various other diseases. I take it fairly seriously.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 19:15, archived)

All that leans towards the fact that you're frustrated with your work.
Please point to the sentence where I stated any of the following:

"I cured all cancer for everyone!"

"This is important and no one has ever done it!"

"I know more than badger!"

Edit: And I'm not that sort of engineer. I program games, make robots, and generally tool around with shit. Hell, I'm an artist by trade.
( Digeridude Lord Wellington's Beef Trapeze, Tue 14 Oct 2008, 19:27, archived)