Pissflaps wins right to die.
I'm not sure I'd like to read all of the Daily Mail's journalists' takes on this story (something along the lines of "bring back hanging - hanging's too good for him, etc") but this really quite an interesting story from a scientific and ethical point of view. I'm hoping that our chum Enzyme will be along to weigh in with his views on this in due course.
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 9:36,
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Still thinking about it.
Though since I think that assisted should be available for pretty much anyone, irrespective of their reasons or status, I'm inclined to think that there's no especial problem here. It doesn't follow from that that anyone has a duty to provide it - and so the State might in this case decide not to make particular efforts to accommodate his request - but, again, there's no particular difficulty from a moral point of view that I can see offhand.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 9:47,
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The only thing that I can think of, via a short string of logic, would be that the person doing the injecting (or whatever) could be classed as a killer.
Or even a mass killer if he does it lots of times. Which seems a bit unfair. I'm possible making a wholly stupid statement there, which is why I'm blaming it on my understanding of logic :)
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 9:52,
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Technically, yes.
But since Belgium has some fairly liberal euthanasia laws - they've even legalised it for children (again, defensibly in my view) - that's not so huge a consideration.
Fun fact: euthanasia is legal in Belgium, but assisting suicide isn't. That means that some people are allowed to kill others legally, but not allowed to help people kill themselves.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 10:10,
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surely if this guy wants to die just because he has a miserable life
then this would be assisted suicide?
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It's the means by which it's done that's important.
Very loosely, euthanasia involves Smith administering a life-ending treatment to Jones at Jones' request. Assisted suicide involves Smith providing to Jones the means to kill himself, and Jones administering it to himself.
Under Belgium's 2002 law, the former is legal, and the latter illegal. That's precisely the opposite to what we find in other assisted dying regimes - Washington, for example, or the repeated proposals in the UK - under which providing assistance to Jones to self-administer his own death is or would be legal, but actually killing him wouldn't be.
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I appreciate that it is different but I have often wondered why we are allowed to remove life support
from loved ones without their consent (as they cannot provide consent) but cannot do it if they give consent. Speaking as someone that has had to do the former I have often wondered why in the eyes of the law i am not a killer?
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If they're not competent,
then treatment has to be provided if it is in their best medical interests. If it is not, then it might actually be required that it be removed - to provide futile treatment, for example, would be treatment that is not in their interests, and might qualify as assault.
More, if we have reason to believe that a non-competent patient would have refused certain treatment had she been competent, then we may withdraw it; the Mental Capacity Act actually goes further, and makes certain advance refusals of treatment binding.
If the patient is competent, then a medic is perfectly entitled to withdraw futile treatment too: there's no obligation to provide treatment that is not in the patient's best interest. (cf a case called Burke, from about 2004, for this.)
Consent to withdraw treatment is a trickier one - that would, by implication, describe a case in which treatment was not futile, but the doctor (for some reason) came up with the idea of withdrawing it anyway. I can't see how that'd happen.
It can be withdrawn at the patient's request, though - indeed, it must be, again to avoid assault and/ or battery.
"Loved ones" make no odds. There is no proxy decisionmaking for adults in English law - it's the best medical interests that count strictly speaking, and best interests in a slightly wider sense that count in practice. (Thus a patient's beliefs about dignity might be taken into account when assessing what is in her best interests.) Even with children, next of kin only get a say insofar as that they're assumed to know best what would be in the child's best interest - but that's a rebuttable assumption.
The law wouldn't see a medic who withdrew treatment as a killer, though, because - quite correctly, I think - simply withdrawing treatment won't kill anyone who is well. That is: it's the underlying condition that kills. The most that happens is that death is allowed.
Some ethicists think that killing and letting die are morally equivalent; but I disagree, and the law agrees with me!
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What were your thoughts on that severely disabled guy who took his fight for the right to die to the high courts...
He lost and ended up starving himself to death a few months later :(
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 11:12,
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Hang on -
I'm writing something on the Belgian case for the Oxford Practical Ethics blog - I need to be quick before some other bugger publishes something - but on that case, go to blogs.bmj.com/medical-ethics/ and search for "Nicklinson". In short, I think he had a reasonable moral case, but his legal case was hopeless.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 11:27,
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Actually, I thought I'd done more on that case.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 12:30,
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Why not have an IV line put in, then a simple button press to administer the dose
The person who wants to die connects the IV to the feeder, presses a button, and the anaesthetic dose is administered, followed by the lethal dose a few minutes after. The doctor wouldn't have to be in the room.
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That'd still fall foul of the intention claim -
setting up the machine'd count as assisting suicide, which is illegal in England and Wales under the Suicide Act. (Not sure about Scotland and whether the Act applies there as well.)
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 13:16,
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but shirley
there would have to be a certain point in the set up of the machine. if it was a modular device, say 5 components, left in parts in the room...
This is where it gets silly, if someone tops themselves in my bathroom with a hot bath and some razor blades whats the difference?
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Well, as long as you hadn't provided the blades in order for them to off themselves, you'd be OK.
Like I said, it's all about intention. (If you know someone is suicidal and foresaw the attempt, but did nothing to prevent it, you might fall foul of negligence laws - but I'm not sure of that. I don't really know anything about negligence.)
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Until now, I thought of Belgium as a country of war memorials, chocolate and paedo gangs.
I reckon there's a TV series begging to be made called The Euthaniser. Bit like a sort of hit-man but he goes around humanely killing people who are terminally ill. Danny Dyer can star.
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 10:26,
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They should get that Jihadi John in to chop his head off.
Live stream it on Sky Sports and then put the highlights on Youtube, would be ace!
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You're back! I thought someone had hacked your password.
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 10:43,
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Hacked his password to stop him from posting?
Also, what happened to tab hunter, did he go the way of Mr. Hands?
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Mr Hands is his nickname in the nonce's wing in HMP Bristol
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Tab Hunter is now "The Queen Mother"
b3ta.com/search/posts/50726
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 11:01,
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Well, I never.
He's a sneaky one. Didn't think he'd be coming back for some reason.
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 11:23,
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All those stories in the press.
He's got a damn nerve.
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Jihadi John is quite the breakout star, isn't he?
I hope we see more of him. He'd be good on Saturday night telly... Host of Blankety Blank or something.
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OK:
Here's my hastily cobbled-together and ill-conceived brain-fart on the matter.
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"Except that one aspect of his arguments is that the state has been failing him by not providing him with adequate therapy in respect of his behaviour."
This is where it gets fecking complicated for me. Given that there's no guarantee that our treatment of such individuals will change and that, if change does occur, the timescale on which it occurs is likely to be years, is it worse to make him wait out the process?
Nice article btw, as always!
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Hol[]y - WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 13:09,
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Ta!
Yeah: it's really tricky, and I'm trying to avoid giving a clear answer...
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 13:17,
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the liberalness and slipperiness of these Euthanasia laws in Belgium is why I'm out
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Why should being liberal be a reason to oppose them?
Their slipperiness is another matter; but that'd require further evidence.
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prejudice - the linking of the words 'liberal' and 'euthanasia laws' in the same sentence
no well-thought out reason
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Couldn't he have that chemical castration thingy pedophiles in other countries have?
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supposedly doesn't work. It hasn't stopped me.
but it does make you worry that with all these government cuts, potentially treatable offenders like him, and those suffering mental distress due to mental illness, are being pushed into the only sure and cost effective way out
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He's said he wants to die, hasn't he?
I question whether a violent rapist is "treatable". Unless he's discovered the empathy he probably wasn't born with. What's the mental illness you're referring to? Paraphilia or ASPD? I don't think either respond to treatment.
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Treatbility opens a hell of a can of worms.
There's a link between antisocial (violent) behaviour and a mutation in the MAOA gene, for example; in that case, there seems to be a reasonable argument for the behaviour being a symptom of a deeper pathology, and so something that (a) shouldn't be punished, and (b) should be treated.
There's also evidence of a link between lead pollution and violence. It's mainly circumstantial at the moment, but it's still reasonably powerful.
We know that empathy can be boosted by oxytocin. So suppose that someone's lack of empathy could be shown to be related to a neuroendocrine glitch in relation to oxytocin: again, there'd be a candidate for treatability there.
Indeed, why shouldn't we think of antisocial behaviour as treatable? (There's a lovely line in Nietzsche somewhere along the lines that Christianity invented free will in order to be able to punish people; the underlying thought is interesting. What if punishment is the wrong approach because behaviour isn't chosen? It seems worth considering to me...)
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I absolutely agree that punishment is in most cases not productive in the slightest. It certainly isn't a deterrent when criminality is pathological. In reference to irrational criminality, at least.
A friend of my father who is a clinical psychologist and works at a London acute MH unit always spoke of punishment as being absolutely useless in practice. And just speaking on a personal level I don't believe in the concept of penal harm beyond deprivation of liberty. I think all we have a duty to do, as a society, is to remove bad people to prevent them from doing more bad things. Deprivation of liberty is enough. Many would disagree.
I have read some of Dr. James Fallon's stuff on the "warrior gene". Absolute fascinating; though I've not read anything about the possibility of any related treatments, beyond theory. All I know from my own understanding is that pathologically "bad" people are probably the hardest psychological cases to treat in practice - incidentally, my dad's friend also said quite bluntly that personality disorders "are untreatable" - assuming they don't end up running corporate banks or countries, of course.
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Rehabiliation of offenders has always been based on this idea that prisons and hospitals should have a similar function and that criminality is treatable
Whether crime was caused by race, mental illness, poverty, or bumps on your head, there has long been a belief that humans are not responsible for their crimes. Genetics is not going to radically change this tradition.
So, from the 18th century, punishment inside the prison was one method to treat the disease - a dog or cat is not responsible for its bad behaviour, but we correct it through punishment and reward.
The problem is that this tradition attacks the idea of free will and personal liberty. Whether we treat prisoners through punishment, drug therapies, genetic therapies, psychotherapies, etc, (and even the euthanasia solution) we are still denying the liberty of the individual, objectifying the person, and travelling the road of dehumanisation.
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Hang on...
You're confusing free will and liberty - which aren't the same thing at all. And you're assuming that (a) there is such a thing as free will, based on apparently nothing more than a desire that there should be; and (b) that freedom must be understood in one particular way.
I don't see what worrying about dehumanisation has to do with it - if the world is thus and so, whether or not its dehumanising is neither here nor there.
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many people want to die. Doesn't mean we should help them do it.
by 'potentially treatable' I mean both the potential to reform, of which modern penal regimes are based on, and the potential of medicine to understand and treat pathologies. That people like him are deemed 'untreatable' in both the penal and medical sense, and may be disposed of by euthanasia, perhaps shows that the State and civic society are failing in their duty of care.
As for mental distress due to mental illness - this is roughly an idea from Enzyme's blog - I'm not speaking of offenders (although, it has been argued that the US prison system has a large majority of mentally ill inmates because the US has inadequate mental health care). I'm speaking of the right to die based on mental distress. There are many people suffering treatable and untreatable mental distress - schizophrenia, chronic depression, bipolar, DID, etc. Even before the Government cuts, the NHS was unable to fully help the mentally ill and disabled. So, in places like Belgium (or in a future Britain) I worry people are being deemed (or will be deemed) viable for euthanasia because there just aren't the finances to treat them, as well as taking away incentive to find a cure.
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I think that shifts the context slightly, though
If you're talking about somebody suffering from a mental illness like chizophrenia, chronic depression, bipolar or DID, those individuals should absolutely be treated. And if their culpability is deemed due to mental illness, then the treatment should absolutely be the same.
I just don't think this example, where no specific mental illness has been listed in the article beyond "violent sexual urges" - which leads me to assume likely a paraphilia and ASPD comorbidity - can be placed in the same context. Because neither is currently regarded as a mental disorder which responds to treatment. It's rare that a person is hospitalised because of a personality disorder.
Society would say he was responsible for his actions. I don't at all believe he should be killed or mistreated beyond deprivation of liberty by the state if he's assessed as a risk to society, but if he wants to die in a country that allows euthanasia then what can be done?
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if the question of a mental disorder is taken out then we are left with the state's failure to rehabilitate...
as well as a person seemingly wishing euthanasia based on self awareness and guilt
are not self awareness and guilt the road to redemption, and thus shows the man to be treatable in some way
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But how would you know that self awareness and guilt are genuine in somebody with an ASPD?
Isn't that one of the hallmarks of the disorder? The so called mask of sanity?
I'm all for rehabilitation if possible - I just don't believe it is possible in pathologically "bad" people. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Didn't they try that somewhere
and the guy used knives instead?
Not entirely sure why keeping someone like that alive is such an ethical issue to be honest
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what's one more dead belgian, ay? Are you with me?
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one more dead belgian means the start of another Poirot murder mystery
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Some creates a boob grabbing game in Oculus.
NSFW
Let's be honest, it wasn't going to take long was it? NSFW Just in case
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top tip: put a condom on
then your housecleaning bills will go down
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yeah, japan is a nation of unashamed paedophiles
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drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 8:57,
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Wasn't being a nonce only just made illegal over there?
Or is that just razy lacism?
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Its still 13 with parental consent or if its a "sincere relationship"
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So you create a human facillity that doesn't want to be touched?
A little rapey....
Here in the west where sex crimes are discouraged we have this...
vimeo.com/89461943
Very NSFW
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 9:12,
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I've hoped it would be more tasteful :(
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omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 10:47,
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Ooooh... it's almost like interfering with a corpse!
Jingle-jangle...
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Wayne Bryson, 19, gets suspended sentence for having sex with girlfriend Amber Hickling’s dog
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"I‘ll never get over him cheating on me ... with my dog"
HAHAHAHAHAHAH... fucking hell you can't write this shit!!
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How do you reckon he tried to explain that find away?
Skegness though. Says it all really. I'm looking forward to the Jeremy Kyle episode.
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30 seconds of madness?
I bet the dog was disappointed
So is the opposite of disappointed appointed?
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She was looking for pictures of her kid...
There's Kyle, there's Kyle and nan, there's ......A COCK IN MY DOG!!!!!
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It doesn't matter what he does with his life
He could cure cancer and still he'd be known as the dog fucker.
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An irishman enters a pub and sits down to have a beer, the bartender seeing the man is melancholy asks the man "and whats wrong that has ruined this fine day for you lad?".
The irishman(gesturing towards the window) replies," you see those fences out there? I built those fences with me bare hands, but do they call me Mcready the fencebuilder? No...they dont" The bartender says" Wow, thats really tough, sorry for you laddy".
Gesturing again to the window, Mcready says," And do you see those boats down in the harbour? I built those boats with me bare hands, but do they call me Mcready the boat builder? No...they don't." Again the bartender says," Sorry Mcready, that really sucks"
Cutting the bartender off and gesturing toward the window one last time, Mcready says" and do you see all those houses out there? I built them houses with me bare hands, but do they call me Mcready te boat builder? No,they don't.......BUT YOU FUCK ONE DOG!....
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So, Rob made him a Mod?
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stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Tue 16 Sep 2014, 15:04,
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Billie Jean
I made this!
A slightly different take on Billie Jean by Michael Jackson.
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Silence for an entire month after joining
then two links at once. To what do we owe this sudden change of heart?
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 7:41,
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When I first made Billie Jean, I saw that some traffic came from here. I forgot I even made an account.
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Fair play
Welcome then. May I suggest that you don't post oo much of your own work in one go though? As you can probably see it tends to wind up those who assume you're just here to spam and run.
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yes
how dare you come here
and post original content
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Nazism by proxy is the best isn't it
PS. Don't be a twat
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Michael Ellis contributes nothing, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 10:58,
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No, the best sort of Nazism is the goose-stepping, black shirted, Master Race variety.
Nazism by proxy looks like Italian Fascism in comparison - just a bit weak and half-hearted.
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Noted
In hindsight I can see why some people reacted the way that they did. Definitely wasn't the intention to be spammy. Though so far this wasn't the worst site welcoming I've received.
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I rather think that wheresthefish is being more than reasonable. The reaction to this and other such advice is worse (wasn't there also a 'sand in the vagina' remark somewhere?): "Don't be a twat"? "Nazism by proxy"?
and as far as original content... no one says they are against it, with reactions tending to be better if the posts are actually worth the effort. Ditto for posting two in a row when other stuff gets pushed off the page.
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wheresthefish
He/She was being very reasonable and I owned up to it. Won't happen again. People have their reasons for writing things and I am down to hear out everyone. I can't speak for whether or not my posts are worth the effort because that's not up to me. Like anyone posting something, they do it with the intention of sharing something they liked. I worked really hard on one video (not so much on the other) and if people don't like it then it's back to the drawing board. The world moves on. What I am interested in is feedback.
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Cheers Sir.
FWIW I missed this the first time it was posted. It's very nicely done indeed.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 19:42,
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hello timkim
You seem to have posted 2 links in a row. I do not foresee this going well for you
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Are you in any way related to the person who posted it back in July?
www.b3ta.com/links/1205219
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No I don't know who that is but I was stoked to see it get posted!
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Based on their username
I have a feeling I may know who they are but I don't know for sure. It's weird talking to someone about their online alias.
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Gets popcorn
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www.2kmusic.com/en/webvideo/ianbrown/wUBTy_8jO1s/ian-brown-billy-jean-michael-jackson-cover
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YOU ARE IN TERRIBLE SLIMY DANGER.
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Tue 16 Sep 2014, 9:23,
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Well I liked it
but then lip-syncing was always a favourite medium of mine.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 12:53,
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By posting your own work on a board created for that purpose,
it appears you have caused a lot of old ladies to get sand in their vaginas.
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She's having a snooze right now, I'll let her know in a bit
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Michael Ellis contributes nothing, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 13:28,
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Yes, first you should massage our egos for a while by telling us how brilliant our links are.
Maybe post a few GC YouTube videos filmed in portrait so we can all moan at you.
Then we'll all be nice and moist and ready for you to slip in your original content.
Then we can all criticise it and tell you to fuck off.
Welcome to B3ta, sunshine.
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Brilliant movie, cruelly overlooked for an Academy Award
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h3donist tryin' to play me out as if my name is Sega.., Tue 16 Sep 2014, 12:08,
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Al Jazeera Teen Thangz
AJ+ is like Al Jazeera, but much cooler. So you can talk about genocide with your classmates without feeling like an old geezer.
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Lulabuy songs
Smells Like Teens Spirit - Lullaby Renditions of Nirvana - Rockabye Baby!
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I got some of these for my friend when he and his missus had TWINS first time out.
Felt they'd need all the help they could get. I think I got him the Pink Floyd, Radiohead, Beatles and U2 (he's a fan, I fear) albums.
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 9:30,
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My friend died on Sunday
He was a cameraman, and was not ashamed that he played a part on these. His other big claim to fame was Bugsy Malone, but no one would shout about that these days, although he did own a real splurge gun, which is cool.
RIP Vic.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 2:25,
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Everything was nicely in focus
I know a lot of people have a bottle in their house, but I've never met anyone who regularly drinks straight vermouth.
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Sorry to hear about your friend
I really enjoyed Bugsy Malone when it came out and the few times I caught it on TV since, might inflict it on my kids although not many films from that era have aged well.
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Bugsy Malone's a fantastic film with some cracking songs from Paul Williams
nothing to have been embarrassed about there.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 7:25,
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Full film on YouTube here
www.youtube.com/watch?v=49fKPUiEKfY
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wakeupandsmellthebacon, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 8:26,
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I have a splurge gun
only shoots once every 20 minutes though :(
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sorry to hear that dude :(
I remember Cinzano being all the rage in the 80s (along with Taboo, Mirage and Babycham) but when I worked at Threshers in early 2000s it only ever got bought at Christmas - presumably for a cheap raffle prize or secret santa gift for someone they hated at work.
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h3donist tryin' to play me out as if my name is Sega.., Tue 16 Sep 2014, 8:36,
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I will shout about Bugsy Malone. It is fucking brilliant! I even have the soundtrack on CD somewhere. I really enjoyed seeing those Cinzano ads again, I love the last one on the plane, even though I knew exactly what coming and the dialogue almost word for word, I still done a lol.
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Bugsy Malone was brilliant.
I expect there will be a gritty violent remake soon, directed by Scorsese.
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white pop jesus
1980 italian movie, jesus returns to earth to solve problems through hard stares and disco dancing
subtitles available
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Urban Outfitters tries a cosplay approach to student wear.
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Christian's Bolt and Ski, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 23:38,
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So gross how would you get those stains out?
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spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 0:06,
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Apparently they said it wasn't blood, but a faded effect.
I can confirm, my Virginia Tech sweater has the same pattern.
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^this^
but if i said it... it would be all in capslock and shouty like.
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Only because youd had too much wine
And the keyboard was all blurry.
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jakedamusss I understand, and dont care., Tue 16 Sep 2014, 3:37,
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I look forward to their Dunblane themed school uniform
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TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 1:14,
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Dangerous Days: On The Edge Of Bladerunner
Is on iPlayer. As well as the Final Cut
Absorb!
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Yes!
You champion. Bookmarked for Chromecasted indulgence sometime this week.
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Ace. Thanks Jon. I'll enjoy that I'm sure.
Haven't seen this one yet. At first I thought it was the Mark Kermode doc from about 15 or so years ago with almost the same name. It's on YT HERE. I time reffed it to a great description of the use of the Bradbury Building in LA. Worth a look too ;)
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I remember that
He also did a good doc on Alien if I remember. Might have to search for that.
(, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 23:10, Share, Reply)
Yeah! Alien Evolution It's called.
That's a great doc. Lot's of Geiger focused creepiness. I'd love to see Kermode do more documentaries like that.
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I watched this last night
and was glad I did
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Jahled Three shades of black, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 23:06,
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Saw the movie for the first time a few months ago.
Cracking piece of cinema and a great soundtrack. Still not quite sure what all the fuss is about though.
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 23:13,
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A few months ago?
Jesus fucking hell. Too busy watching repeats of 'The Golden Girls'?
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 23:17,
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Dunno, never got round to it.
I was more of a Perfect Strangers fan.
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 23:27,
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Yes this is my day every day. What a wonderful crazy world we live in
until I got knobbled by the rozzers getting onto my train to work today because I looked liked a local prison escapee. Yes he has bald head so do I. Immediate match!
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spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 23:34,
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So they bummed you?
these new police initiatives... I don't know...
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I've still not seen it and probably deserve a good bumming
It missed my space time while in bed.
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The problem with Blade Runner is that every great idea in it has been borrowed to death by every other Sci-fi movie since
There isn't much left in it you probably haven't already seen.
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I used to question its status as well,
the second viewing helped though.
I don't remember who it was, but someone once said the magic of that film was Rutger Hauers rooftop speech, the one that everyone knows. The way it's essentially absurd twaddle but manages to convey the universal message of life being precious.
Although for me as a youngster, it was more about Darryl Hannah's arse.
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sir_spicious2000 Crap I've watched: www.filmplop.blogspot.com/, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 23:57,
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This may disturb you
but the flip flop parts of her straddle attack were played by a man in a leotard...
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Oh.
Aah well, we all have our Iggy Pop moment. Shame to waste it.
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sir_spicious2000 Crap I've watched: www.filmplop.blogspot.com/, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 2:15,
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I'm too young to have caught it on release, so not really party to its cultural influence beyond the opinions of others
I just caught it at quite an impressionable age (it was on my older brother's Media Studies A Level in 1994) and have found myself obsessed by it since. I can't think of another film that's made me want to also make films quite so much.
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Top linkage!
Thank you, I can't wait to watch it!
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NooShmoo It's a fantazmagorical pile of ultra bollocks, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 23:37,
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oooooh LINK! THANK YOU.
need to get Hola fired up for this one later.
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miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 0:46,
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Somehow, I had no doubt that someone on here would get that reference.
EDIT: and without use of the hyperlink.
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 22:52,
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I think it's quite a well known film in Australia.
That's no excuse for me knowing it though...
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Tell 'im 'ees dreamin.
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 23:02,
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Stoke?
One Stoke is bad enough.
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mugwump In summary then, oh no. Chris., Tue 16 Sep 2014, 10:21,
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Get rid of U2, officially
Still, U2 have their brass, Bono is laughing, etc.
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U2 do not come out of this well
This is perhaps a fitting farewell for a musical brand that lost it's way
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The way I see it
If you got the album, you already had some U2 in your itunes. Surely you cannot then moan that you "hate U2". If you like them, bonus! Moaners therefore draw attention to the fact that they are really U2 fans who just like to moan - twunts.
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EUGH
bongo lover...
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 22:00,
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^ right there: a secret U2 lover
who had to "remove" an apparently unwanted album.... makes my point perfectly.
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That's the very last thing I am
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 22:56,
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i laughed out loud at the very idea you could be
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miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 0:44,
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I didn't have any U2 in my itunes.
Does that mean I can moan legitimately? I'm not going to, because I don't care. I am enjoying the incomprehension of others though as to how this has happened.
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well you're the first
I've become aware of - you can moan legitimately if you require.
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Woohoo!
Here goes...
The weather's gone cold and beer costs far too much these days.
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Beer cost
I solved that one by moving to a place where the beer is cheaper.
The weather - global warming says otherwise (or possibly not)
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I didn't have any U2 either
In fact I hate the cunts. Yet I've been gifted this new album. I would honestly have preferred it if someone from Apple knocked on my door and kicked me in the bollocks. As it is I feel like they sent me a shit in the post.
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I think I had their Batman theme tune.
I thought the video that accompanied it was probably 80% of the combined enjoyment.
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The band, literally?
I wish I had an app for that.
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Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 20:46,
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"I'm not saying I hate Bono, but...
...If I were stuck in a room with Bono, Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot, and had a gun with two bullets, I'd shoot Bono twice"
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Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 21:20,
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Well, yeah.
I mean, why would you want to shoot either of the other two anyway?
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stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Mon 15 Sep 2014, 21:25,
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At least Pol Pot's first album "Year Zero Never Dies" was half decent.
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spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 0:19,
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You can get an app for that now.
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stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Mon 15 Sep 2014, 21:26,
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They seem like such a good fit for apple corporation
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Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 20:58,
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Fuck U2
Fuck bongo right in his fucking face
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 21:59,
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Marmite plus
Everyone fucking hates him.
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spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 23:48,
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They've lost their edge
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 5:44,
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It makes me thank Jesus's tiny feet that I bought an android phone
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Ferocious puma and serval cubs being ferocious
I made this!
Here are some of the cubs currently training to be ferocious killers we have in Welwyn
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Jahled Three shades of black, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 19:32,
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I like that you clicked 'I like this' because you liked this
I clicked 'I like this' because I liked this too. Hopefully Jahled likes that we both clicked that we liked this., And I'll like that as well.
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Your 'I liked this' preferences have been noted
and your individual DNA added to the few who shall be 'not to be neutralised, only accidentally nibbled,' during the forthcoming holocaust by these fluffy big eared stormtroopers.
You are relatively safe
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Jahled Three shades of black, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 20:23,
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I'd recommend you invest in some good running shoes though...
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 20:38,
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And some plasters after yesterday's scuffs and scratches
good to see you still live
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Jahled Three shades of black, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 20:45,
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I don't think there's anything that'll be permanently disfiguring anyway.
How's the nose?
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 20:55,
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I clicked I like this too.
Mainly because I do, but partially because it might annoy you.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 21:50,
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I thought
everything I did annoyed you to a certain extent.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 16 Sep 2014, 1:58,
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I clicked "I like this" because I saw this.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 20:22,
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Crazy cubbies!
I've got those on my property. I see the parents, and the footprints, but never the cubs.
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cowcat Bituminous squeegee, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 21:04,
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Nice vid..
but wtf is that tune!!! I have it somewhere but not played it for years.
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just google any indian music
with sitar. Should be similar enough.
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omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 21:40,
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Indian!
Believe it or not, I was just listening to this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vICORssIsIM
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cowcat Bituminous squeegee, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 23:17,
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Was it you who questioned the taste of people's music on here the other day? ;-)
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Mathar - Original Indian Vibes
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYQi6h7qBng
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OMG KITTIES!
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Centipedius - Centipede Simulator
I made this!
I work at a games studio and each month they give us two days to make whatever we want...
My team decided to make a super-realistic Centipede Simulator... here is a trailer for it.
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Make it sTimulate
and I am going to give it the greenlight
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gaijintendo Regular Member, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 19:20,
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At the moment it's just multiplayer... you can either have 2 people controlling one centipede and 2 people controlling another... racing each other.
Or multiple people can all collectively control the same centipede, trying to speedrun an obstacle course.
If we'd had more than 2 days, we'd have added single player and a bunch of other things to do, but what can ye do?
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It is a top effort.
BUT THE PREVIEW PIC gives me the willies
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Terrence McKenna describes doing DMT
Terrence McKenna describes doing DMT
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Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 17:43,
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DLT describes doing Terrence McKenna
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Paul O'Grady dresses as a bumblebee
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BNP and SDP join together at the BBC
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fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 19:54,
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hahaha
Proper lolllings on the train
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Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 18:01,
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DMT is mental stuff
I've not taken Ayahuasca (yet) but have heard this interview before. He's right about the two/three hits, but he's still a bit of a nutjob, even in my opinion!
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terrence mckenna is one of those guys
that people who love to get absolutely blitzed on atomic lsd bongs read and talk about in order to feel like they're exploring frontiers of the mind rather than just their couches.
He was able to get so high that not only did he think he was a scientist, but *other* people thought so too.
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^This
I've always found the experience of psychedelics to be pretty subjective anyway; they merely enhance your current emotional state, as well as making everything look cool. Terrance is a bit of a bridge too far imo.
This might be of interest though:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gFB4wVPpAU
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ooh yeah, did you post this a few years ago?
proper madness.
I seem to remember another one with drug filled honey from psychadelic jungle bees.
I bet taking psychadelics is extremely fun and perplexing,
and I am a big supporter of fun and being perplexed.
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the prick of misery pierced my foot on a spiiiike on, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 21:09,
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No I didn't post it before
It is extremely fun but not perplexing. I suppose mushrooms can be, but just to the point where you find hilarity in the day-to-day. As far as I'm concerned, they're very safe, providing firstly you're in a fair state of mind to begin with (however I used to be a depressive, and I wholeheartedly claim mushrooms helped to absolve that), and that you put yourself in a comfortable situation with good friends and good music. And pillows.
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For pillow sex?
I like regular eating mushrooms. This all sounds great,
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Mmmm... mushrooms
Always found the mental effects fairly mixed.. if the you-only-use-10% thing wasn't bollocks then I could quite easily believe mushrooms unlocked the other 90%... I always felt like a fog had been lifted and I could think deeply and with great insight. I'd have eureka moments but once the effects had worn off, I'd always forget what those amazing revelations were.
On the down-side, I'd get 'stuck' in little mental loops going round and round thinking about the same thing.
Tried some Hawaiian woodrose seeds a few years back.. AWFUL nausea and kept feeling a really bad 'vibe' which got better if I wasn't in the living room.
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Terrance was always a very lucid talker. Loved his stuff. Shame he died so young.
Just noticed, he sounds just like David Sedaris....
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russian antwoord? only worse.
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omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 17:25,
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enjoying the link
but no, doesn't really work as well as die antwoord =)
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you are strange
Edit: Ohhh, there are subtitles
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omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 17:31,
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wow what a slavish copy..
also the woman is not as attractive as Yolandi ;)
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There is just something about Yolandi isn't there...
I think she would annoy the fuck out of me though after a while.
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spanishfly is so fucking sexy people impersonate him, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 18:27,
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approximately 20 seconds into any conversation
but oh yes yes
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I love her voice..
I speak Dutch and can just about make some of the bits of Afrikaans that come from the Dutch language, I love all the nasty swearing and stuff she puts in her raps.
I am suprised they have not been censored or banned for some of the things that are said.
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Don't you mean Slavic?
BOOM
Thankyewverymuch
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smaggers Like a gibbon on helium, Mon 15 Sep 2014, 18:50,
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I'm getting a 'dress like you've just come out of a care home' vibe with these groups
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