A bit too late, but anyway ..Had the idea for a couple of days but no time until now. First image for a long while that I actually took some time to polish. Which was very satisfying. Cheers.
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Thu 11 Aug 2011, 23:53,
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And yet utterly, utterly disgraceful.
Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Thu 11 Aug 2011, 23:59,
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Is it over the top?Might be.
A few words of explanation ..
I'm experimenting a bit here. I'm not from the UK and the whole "chav" phenomenon is not a big thing 'round these parts. Still, over the years I've sensed a lot of animosity towards this particular social group on the b3ta board.
I recently read an article in one of our national newspapers regarding the UK riots. One of the points that was made was that the "chav" group -- essentially the unemployed remnants of the working class -- was one of the very few social groups that one could openly bash in public. Social and ethnic groups, obviously, are off limits these days. I don't know if this is all true but it's an interesting thought.
So my experiment was to throw this in here and see how people reacted.
Main thing, I enjoyed drawing it.
And well, it's satire. It doesn't need to be a 1:1 reflection of my viewpoints. It might not necessarily make fun of said chav, it might also make fun of the scientist or of conventions in society. Make of it what you want.
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Fri 12 Aug 2011, 0:18,
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A few words of explanation ..
I'm experimenting a bit here. I'm not from the UK and the whole "chav" phenomenon is not a big thing 'round these parts. Still, over the years I've sensed a lot of animosity towards this particular social group on the b3ta board.
I recently read an article in one of our national newspapers regarding the UK riots. One of the points that was made was that the "chav" group -- essentially the unemployed remnants of the working class -- was one of the very few social groups that one could openly bash in public. Social and ethnic groups, obviously, are off limits these days. I don't know if this is all true but it's an interesting thought.
So my experiment was to throw this in here and see how people reacted.
Main thing, I enjoyed drawing it.
And well, it's satire. It doesn't need to be a 1:1 reflection of my viewpoints. It might not necessarily make fun of said chav, it might also make fun of the scientist or of conventions in society. Make of it what you want.
While chavs are the group to be blamed for urban violence and social degradationwho is to be blamed for having generated those chavs?
I don't live in UK either and can't draw a direct correlation between british chavs and specific "low class" groups around here, but I get a bit worried when people start point fingers at someone else and forget that this "society" concept includes a complex relation of causes and effects, and nothing happens if there isn't a cause. In my view from this side of the globe, as peculiar as every country can be, the question that almost never gets asked is "what might I have done wrong to have cause this?", while it is often the most important answer in the way to minimize those conflicts.
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Fri 12 Aug 2011, 0:30,
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I don't live in UK either and can't draw a direct correlation between british chavs and specific "low class" groups around here, but I get a bit worried when people start point fingers at someone else and forget that this "society" concept includes a complex relation of causes and effects, and nothing happens if there isn't a cause. In my view from this side of the globe, as peculiar as every country can be, the question that almost never gets asked is "what might I have done wrong to have cause this?", while it is often the most important answer in the way to minimize those conflicts.
indeedI tried conveying a similar point on /board previously, but was met with a fair amount of aggression.
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drbroon abloooobloobloo,
Fri 12 Aug 2011, 2:08,
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Well, you dun good to explain.And it was a very good picture - beautifully done.
But perhaps commenting on highly sensitive social affairs in a foreign country, let alone making an attempt at satire, requires a bit more attention to detail.
My chav relatives'd smash your teeth in if you said this kind of stuff to their face.
Where in the world are you, btw?
*EDIT* ah, I forgot - my sister got divorced! So I haven't got any chav relatives any more...
(But perhaps commenting on highly sensitive social affairs in a foreign country, let alone making an attempt at satire, requires a bit more attention to detail.
My chav relatives'd smash your teeth in if you said this kind of stuff to their face.
Where in the world are you, btw?
*EDIT* ah, I forgot - my sister got divorced! So I haven't got any chav relatives any more...
Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Fri 12 Aug 2011, 0:35,
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Not too far away ..Small country across the North Sea.
My ancesters used to dress up in ridiculous clothing and loot the cities of your ancestors .. :-)
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Fri 12 Aug 2011, 21:15,
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My ancesters used to dress up in ridiculous clothing and loot the cities of your ancestors .. :-)
i don't think it's over the topthere's been hundreds of posts on here mocking chavs and they never get flamed, and 90% of them have not been done as nicely as this.
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Fri 12 Aug 2011, 0:40,
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If I may throw my 2p's worth inI believe the best way of describing the distinction between chavs & disaffected young folks is similar to Chris Rock's routine on "Black People Vs Niggers".
People can be young, long-term unemployed, bored, ethnic, hoody-wearing, any of the other factors mentioned by the media, etc. etc. without being irredeemable cunts.
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Fri 12 Aug 2011, 8:23,
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People can be young, long-term unemployed, bored, ethnic, hoody-wearing, any of the other factors mentioned by the media, etc. etc. without being irredeemable cunts.
I did something similar and got a similarly reserved responseI think it might be 'cos at the start of this it was supposedly about race so some people think showing them as monkeys means racism.
Also far too many people still believe this riot was about something other than mindless chavs smashing shit and was some sort of rise of the proletariat against the establishment. It really wasn't.
I like Frances take on it in the latest 'What the world press thinks' list on the beeb:
'What motivates the English rioters, those who have really been active? As often in these cases, a mix of anger and boredom, of provocation and opportunism, a kind of middle finger pointed at all authorities, starting with the police, and a homage to the consumerist society via looting.'
Sounds about right, bored, pissed off, nowt to do, no ones about, oh look, JD Sports, anyone got a brick?
(Also far too many people still believe this riot was about something other than mindless chavs smashing shit and was some sort of rise of the proletariat against the establishment. It really wasn't.
I like Frances take on it in the latest 'What the world press thinks' list on the beeb:
'What motivates the English rioters, those who have really been active? As often in these cases, a mix of anger and boredom, of provocation and opportunism, a kind of middle finger pointed at all authorities, starting with the police, and a homage to the consumerist society via looting.'
Sounds about right, bored, pissed off, nowt to do, no ones about, oh look, JD Sports, anyone got a brick?
..wil,
Fri 12 Aug 2011, 7:09,
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