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# sorry to threadwaste
does anyone know how copyright laws protect
copyrighted images? The main question being is
if you take an image that is copyrighted and
shop it its no longer the original image so if
you use it does the copyight still apply?
(m1k3k, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:17, archived)
# Yes.
But only if you get caught.
(I helped save b3ta! mog, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:18, archived)
# yes
(I helped save b3ta! summat to do with kittens, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:18, archived)
# Masher

Are you going to sell the altered image?
(I helped save b3ta! Rev. A-MOL is lurking around these parts again, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:18, archived)
# no, but i found a few good source pictures i want to use
but they are copyrighted
(m1k3k, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:19, archived)
# as long as you dont make a profit
from using them you should be ok.
well, i hope so anyway 'coz ive used loads of copyrighted stuff to 'shop
(icedragon, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:23, archived)
# No, you can still get in trouble
Still, the likely hood of that happening is pretty slim.
(I helped save b3ta! magnum, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:25, archived)
# hmm
say i was to take a photo of sometyhing that is copyrighted, could i then use the photo or edit the photo as i wouldnt be changing the original image..?
(icedragon, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:28, archived)
# in my opinion, I don't think this is a threadwaste
(1, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:18, archived)
# ha ha!
(I helped save b3ta! mog, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:19, archived)
# I don't think it exists
anyway.
(I helped save b3ta! Stickman_ben, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:19, archived)
# No it's not
and it does raise some important issues about creative license.

For example a lot of 'modern art' uses contemporary images and brands in their work- yet do not get sued for breach of copyright.

Must find examples....
(I helped save b3ta! Razor What the fuck - a sig?, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:23, archived)
# copyright law
is 97% grey area designed to confuddle the public and earn dollops of cash for copyright lawyers
so the answer is "maybe"

(btw ... brie and bacon sandwich with chicken noodle soup is a reaaaally odd lunch combo)
(I helped save b3ta! Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:21, archived)
# depends
on how shopped it it, copyright only protects the 'image', for example the pictures you get of shopped animals with different heads etc would not be covered by the copyright of the original pic's. But if you are just going to add some text or make a minor change then it probably wont be enough.
(Dr Pob this just makes you look further to find the time, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:22, archived)
# hmm with what i have in mind it should
be ok then, thanks
(m1k3k, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:23, archived)
# Still a derivative work mate.
Still need to ask permission.

I.e. you're speaking bollocks.
(I helped save b3ta! tef, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:24, archived)
# Yes.
What you are doing is creating a derivative work.

By using original parts of the image to create a new one, their copyright still applies.

If you get permission to use their work, then you can copyright your image (subject to the terms they have given you)

Without permission you cannot legally distribute your work.

More info: www.creativecommons.org
(I helped save b3ta! tef, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:23, archived)
# thanks il check the link
(m1k3k, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:25, archived)
# Correct.
But bear in mind, copyright enforcement is the responsibility of the holder of copyright and not law enforcement agencies. That means the cops can't get you in shit for it, but if the person who created the work spots it and doesn't approve, they can do you for it.

While I think of it, does anyone know specifically how copyright law pertains to the Internet? For example, I'm currently in a country not party to the Berne Convention, which would, I imagine, have some bearing on the matter.
(Tetsuo, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:38, archived)
# If something is copyright protected
It is copyright protected. If by simply altering a copyright protected image it becomes a new work, and so copyright no longer applies, by the same logic if I took a book someone else had written and changed twenty words, therefore I could claim copyright on the "new" book myself.

Alternatively, I could break into your house, nick your DVD player, scratch off the serial number and write a new one on with a tippex pen, and claim that it is now a different DVD player, and mine by right.

Laws exist for the prevention of chaos and anarchy. Abide by them.

/Lord Woolf
(I helped save b3ta! TV's Nosemonkey, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:23, archived)
# hahahaha!
(I helped save b3ta! mog, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:25, archived)
# I disagree.
Laws originally were made to allow the goverment to punish immoral people.

Not to stop the acts themselves, but to act as a deterrent.

Y'see recent laws have not been about protecting people, they have been about protecting companies and corporations.

Which is a bad thing.
(I helped save b3ta! tef, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:26, archived)
# it ll seems like a bit of a grey area to me
with regards to the web
(m1k3k, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:27, archived)
# It's not a grey area
IT IS COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT AND THUS ILLEGAL.

You spackers.

However, it is hard to enforce on the web, and most courts would ignore this level of infringement.

So, yeah. It's not a grey area, you're just unlikely to get caught and very unlikely to get sued :)

Unless you do a thomas the wank engine..
(I helped save b3ta! tef, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:30, archived)
# hehe
ok so maybe not a grey area but the bottom line is you can either respect the law and not use the images or you can use them anyway knowing that your more then likely going to get away with it.
(m1k3k, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:33, archived)
# bingo
a winner is you :D
(I helped save b3ta! tef, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:37, archived)
# Laws exist thanks to the same logic Pavlov had with his mutt
If the criminal classes are punished often enough, they might learn that crime doesn't pay. Unfortunately, to be effective such deterrents need to be sufficiently harsh - cf Saudi Arabia with its low crime rates. Unfortunately, even where punishments are harsh, this does not always work - cf. Texas.

In short, no laws are effective, because people are scum and will always commit crime. Therefore we should execute everyone, as this is the only true way of preventing crime.

/David Blunkett
(I helped save b3ta! TV's Nosemonkey, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:31, archived)
# Well
That is a sweeping statement.

There has to be at least some legal protection for companies, otherwise most of us wouldn't have jobs.
(Dr Jonah's website is rubbish, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:42, archived)
# dammit
and I was half way through my all-over brad pitt tattoo
does that mean I can't demand all his cash and the boinking rights to jennifer aristonandonandon?
(I helped save b3ta! Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:29, archived)
# have a look
at the copy right page on this site the bottom theres a list of sites which tell you the answers


www.urban75.com/copy.html
(GarfieldLeChat, Mon 19 Apr 2004, 12:43, archived)