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# Nicely done - I like this.
Of course your pic only works if the war is being propogated by two set of middle-eastern religious nutjobs hell bent on destroying each other because they read different versions of the same story.

So that's alright then.

Religious fundamentalism (in all its forms throughout history) is the biggest fecking evil the world has ever known - why can't we all just hug and be happy?

/mad rant
(I helped save b3ta! Cheeky Boy! loves horses..., Sat 12 Aug 2006, 9:54, archived)
# Not quite
Religiosn fundamentalism is the biggest evil the world has ever known
(Guineapiggy Fuzzeh!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 9:56, archived)
# i'd have gone with the first
the quakers are really nice
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 9:58, archived)
# The quakers have a faith
more than a religion, big difference.
(malvino warning profile may cause death an brain damage, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 9:59, archived)
# What is the distinction?
I don't know what you could say is wrong with religion other than faith (in the wrong things/people).
(I helped save b3ta! hanke murphy, I'm a mess, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:09, archived)
# they make those nice boxes of oats
they don't harm anyone surely?

:D
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 11:11, archived)
# Not unless you've met 'em all
all religious people can be quite nice given the right circumstances. They do make great oats though.
(Guineapiggy Fuzzeh!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 9:59, archived)
# strikethrough revenge!
religious
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:02, archived)
# Some of us find it quite nice.
Depends on your outlook I suppose, but I'm quite happy being religious.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 9:59, archived)
# it depends on your religion
Buddhism encourages you to accept other peoples faiths.
Almost every other religion says my god is better than your god, and that is where the problems start.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:02, archived)
# I'm Christian
And I converted to it. But I don't believe my God, or my religion is any better that anything anybody else believes.

I don't get quite how I can be tarred with the same brush by the same non-believers who are constantly telling me to find my individuality and step away from the church.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:07, archived)
# Well the words 'I'm Christian' don't help. Why not just believe what you will without the handle?
Associating yourself with a religion like that can only serve to alienate people and generally does give an impression of being narrow minded or sheepish. In all fairness you probably aren't and it's a small detail but why not just be you with all you believe? I believe in morality, goodness and even like to think of some impossibly comlex higher meaning to life but I don't call myself religious or indeed belonging to group X, Y or Z. I'm just Chris.
(Guineapiggy Fuzzeh!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:10, archived)
# It's not alienated anybody so far
and if two little words such as that did then I probably wouldn't want to be that close to them anyway.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:13, archived)
# Think about it, what is the purpose of that tag?
When you say "I'm X/Y/Z" you are establishing differences between yourself and one group whilst associating yourself with another. Now I know there's no way you can believe 100% of what the church teaches partially 'cause it's not exactly concrete and often contradictary but mostly because people just don't work like that. A word like Christian is a ridiculously huge net for what is likely a unique and specific set of values you hold dear. What's more is that for me it just doesn't feel right. It's like trying to describe a summer sky armed only with the word 'blue'. Sure, the sky is often blue but does that really do it justice? I say just be you. Food for thought anyways.
(Guineapiggy Fuzzeh!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:18, archived)
# And I say it's my choice.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:20, archived)
# Someone's very defensive today
(Guineapiggy Fuzzeh!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:21, archived)
# Not really
You have your views on the subject, but what I do or do not label myself is entirely my choice. That you don't is fine, and i'm sure that makes you very happy. This is what makes me happy, though.

And being friends with goths I've had all this maaaany times over. :D They're still trying to get me to worship Anne Rice or some other such bollocks.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:23, archived)
# Cool, though it does come across as a bit sharp when you respond with a fact I'm already aware of
Right now I think I'll believe that Iron Maiden's new album is absolutely awesome. *Rocks out*
(Guineapiggy Fuzzeh!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:26, archived)
# Another one?
Bloody hell.

My parents knew Bruce Dickinson back when he still used his own name in Sheffield. Bruce is actually his dad's name (they knew his dad more). His real name's Paul and he's got halitosis.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:28, archived)
# Hahahaha, nice insight
The closest I've been to mr Dickinson is about 20 feet so I can't say I've smelt it myself but yeah, a new album. Wonderfully diverse too, like nothing they've ever recorded before but still distinctly Maiden and with the wonderful raw edge that seemed to be lost with age.
(Guineapiggy Fuzzeh!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:30, archived)
# FAG TIME
You bastards, driving me to the cancer sticks.

Last album I got was Peeping Tom's self titled. It's another Mike Patton thing- it's bloody excellent. I think he works with Kid Koala on it....
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:34, archived)
# It's simple
people pick on those that are different

Non religious types and religious types
One skin colour and another skin colour
B3tans and Noobs

Its human nature, generally based on fear or jealousy (like "why don't I have a massive party to go to every Sunday morning")
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:10, archived)
# i'll drink to this
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:13, archived)
# Why not believe it's better than what other people believe?
Surely some people are wrong. As an outsider I think I can definately say some beliefs reflect more of reality than others.

The problem is the group. Once you identify yourself as part of a group there's always conflict. You're also always trying to pull the people you like into your group so you can be more comfortable with them.
(I helped save b3ta! hanke murphy, I'm a mess, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:13, archived)
# The group mentality and implications of religion are two pretty huge factors, yeah
though to be honest I feel nobody has even 1/100000000th of the full picture.
(Guineapiggy Fuzzeh!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:24, archived)
# it's not just group mentality
it's if there were no "jews" and no "muslims", if we all weren't insulating ourselves into our safe little groups, there could be no conflict. You can't have conflict with out two different parties. If we were all just human beings, we wouldn't kill each other, because we'd be killing ourselves.
(I helped save b3ta! hanke murphy, I'm a mess, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 11:15, archived)
# Not
quite true.

Islam says respect other faiths as long as they don't pose a very real threat to you.
Judaism has no real standing on the matter and for many thousands of years it's been 'I'm Jewish, you're not, meh.' Only now that the Hasidim (Ultra-Orthodox) have too much of a say has the whole 'My god is better than yours.' thing been getting bad press. (It's worse as well, 'I'm Hasidic, you're Reform, you're beneath me.')

The whole thing in the Middle East isn't about Religion anyway, it's entirely politics. Israel was made as a state, not as a religious homeland, but as one away from some quite heavy anti-semitism in Europe for a good while, remember the Jews killed Jesus... During the Crusades the Jews were persecuted in Europe and when they were there they helped out the Muslims. Nearly 50% of Palestine was Jewish before WW2 anyway, there was a Palestine recruitment surge by the British Army, 30,000 Jews joined 3 Jewish Brigades; so they had to be there in the first place.

The whole Middle East thing isn't about gods (it's the same god anyway), but is about politics (as said before). Yasser Arafat, the great fighter of the people, had a pretty cushy life. He even had a fucking Paris Apartment. It's about power. Also, Iran = Persion, to the West of Iran = Arab; to stop any Persian-Arab conflict just blame Israel for everything. That gets them off your back.
(Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:17, archived)
# Indeed
it's the fundametalist's 'I'm right, you're wrong' crap that's the problem, especially if they decide to blow you to bits/put you on the rack/burn you at the stake/generally persecute you to prove it.
(I helped save b3ta! Cheeky Boy! loves horses..., Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:04, archived)
# I never got that kind of thing either
Far as I'm concerned, believe whatever you want to believe. Worship whoever you want to- just leave me to my god bothering.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:10, archived)
# Abso-blimmin-lutely!
as I said above - let's all just be happy and hug!

I'm beginning to wish I'd just said 'Woo!' now ... still, I guess I woke the board up!
(I helped save b3ta! Cheeky Boy! loves horses..., Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:13, archived)
# but are you being taught that other people will go to hell then?
or are you, for lack of a better phrase (and one that a friend who is also a Christian used) just a "Happy Clapper" - going along for the songs and the sense of friendship with likeminded people.

Which if thats the case, have you tried necking an e and going raving? ;)
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:14, archived)
# I believe those with true evil in their hearts
shall have to answer for it. I don't say I have all the answers because I don't. And you'd be hard pushed to find a member of a religion that believes every damn thing written in it's holy book.

I came to religion on my own terms, and I shall follow it in exactly the same way.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:18, archived)
# Leave it out mate
You're a ruddy athiest fundamentalist! :P
(I helped save b3ta! Hamster Trippin' aka Mr. Titts, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:23, archived)
# He's being mischievous
Because he's a poo. *lobs cushion*
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:25, archived)
# I am not!
I'm having a chat and nothing more.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:30, archived)
# Well you are a little bit
Tis ok, mischief is the spice of life.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:32, archived)
# hahahahahahah
no, not at all.


I'm a happy bit of toast who wants everyone to get along and have a nice time without fucking it up for anyone else along the way.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:29, archived)
# I'm sure you are otherwise you wouldn't be so
but you're completely twisting my statement. I said religion is evil, not all religious people.
(Guineapiggy Fuzzeh!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:04, archived)
# which is why I said
I find 'it' quite nice, as opposed to finding myself quite nice. Religion for me holds a lot of happiness and faith- it's people who do the evil.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:08, archived)
# to quote some history guy..
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
(spook, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:10, archived)
# Religion isn't necessarily evil, evil people just use it for their own twisted means
I imagne that in the last century more people were killed in the name of evil political regimes such as the Soviets and the Nazis than religion.

Dear lord this is serious for B3ta! Time to lighten the mood again...

(I helped save b3ta! Rico, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:13, archived)
# Nice!
www.b3ta.com/board/6220828
(I helped save b3ta! Cheeky Boy! loves horses..., Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:17, archived)
# Depends on how you look at it
Hitler was spurred largely by his own brand of religion as were the powers that preceeded the equally brutal approximately communist era in Russia.
(Guineapiggy Fuzzeh!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:28, archived)
# As Richard Dawkins so rightly said
Good people do good things
and evil people do evil things

but for good people to do evil things, takes religion
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 9:59, archived)
# i was going to offer my opinion of richard dawkins and that sentence
but i'm feeling far too fluffy, and am going to enjoy the sunshine instead
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:07, archived)
# its a perfectly proven statement
But to be fair, the word religion could be replaced by "repeated teaching" or to be more exciting and over the top "brainwashing"!


;)
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:17, archived)
# except for the dependence of absolute morality on religion
though yes, i agree with "repeated teaching". and i think that there are plenty of things we're repeatedly taught which cause it.

favourites include:
rich=successful
"casual" racism
marketing
government scaremongering

and many churches oppose one or more of the above. i reckon that on average religion breaks even
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:26, archived)
# You're forgetting
Herbal Essences gives you orgasms.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:29, archived)
# it's TRUUUUUUUE!*




*It's not
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:31, archived)
# waht is true about Herbal Essences however
is the fact that they have the shittest jingle around.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:31, archived)
# I'm sure that's Frosties
Or Calgon.

Or clover spread. STOP CRYING OVER BUTTER YOU STUPID MAN.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:46, archived)
# if there's a church that thinks they don't
i want it burnt NOW
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:36, archived)
# How black metal of you
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:42, archived)
# Religion means rules to me
and I simply can't agree with rules handed to me by other people that can't be rationalised in part or in full. I'd rather try and work on such important issues myself than take someone else's word for it.
(Guineapiggy Fuzzeh!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:36, archived)
# that's very commendable
however, if you tried to justify everything from first principles you'd have a terribly slow and laborious life. you take your arbitrary rules from many sources, and wrap a layer of explanation around them. and i'm going to the car boot sale. turrah!
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:47, archived)
# There's a car boot sale just down the road from work
I want to go. I love buying tat.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 10:48, archived)
# *shrugs* But of course
Where's the hurry to work everything out?
(Guineapiggy Fuzzeh!, Sat 12 Aug 2006, 11:01, archived)