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# I thought that cherubs were the cute Victorian invented babies in paintings
derived from cherubim and seraphim of the bible
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 13:59, archived)
# were the seraphim not the six legged leathery winged scary ones?
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:01, archived)
# yes.
"... I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and His train filled the Hekhal (sanctuary). Above Him stood the Seraphim; each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew."
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:02, archived)
# thats the ones
I knew it involved a six
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:03, archived)
# how the fuck did he see where he was flying?
load of arse, if you ask me
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:03, archived)
# If you must insist on going round saying that these things are imaginary
then you have no right to complain about them being able to see through wings that are imaginary. Tchoh!
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:05, archived)
# eh?
i said it was a load of arse
like 'long kiss goodnight' is a load of arse
it's fiction, and it doesn't even have the decency to make sense
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:07, archived)
# Surely fiction doesn't make sense by definition?
just because it hasn't happened.
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:08, archived)
# Exactly
and what definitely doesn't make sense is going...

1) "This is all fiction!"
2) "How can they possibly see through wings that don't exist in the first place?!"
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:13, archived)
# yes it does
fiction still has to obey cause and effect or it's just a string of random words
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:16, archived)
# No it's not
quite a lot of fiction isn't internally consistent, yet it's still comprehenedable.

I mean, yeah, shit fiction, but it's still fiction.
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:20, archived)
# that's my original point
it's a 'load of arse'
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:24, archived)
# that's about 95% of modern fiction though
all media
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:25, archived)
# it can still be internally consistent
apparently
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:13, archived)
# this
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:16, archived)
# can, doesn't have to
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:21, archived)
# Long Kiss Goodnight was fucking awesome
thank you very much
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:15, archived)
# i'm with you on this one
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:16, archived)
# it was a load of bollocks
badly written and directed bollocks
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:18, archived)
# Well I liked it
Geena Davis and Sam Jackson for the win
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:18, archived)
# and the nephilim?
a subset of angelic beings with human mothers?
the "watcher" angels?
the "sons of god"?
or a bunch or pasty face cowboy goths with a penchant for flour and electric hedgetrimmers?
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:16, archived)
# Hmmm
I'm writing a short film about the Nephilim at the moment

but it'll probably turn out to be a serious rip-off of Hellraiser.
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:20, archived)
# in the style of Richard Stanley?
be sure to include a severed head in a barrel, lots of stalking through graveyards, cowboy hats and black & decker product placement.

oh.. you meant that angelic type.
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:34, archived)
# i thought cherubs were the bits of bakewell tarts no-one ever eats
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:01, archived)
# This ^
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:04, archived)
# cherub is the singular of cherubim
saying cherubs is just me being lazy
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:02, archived)
# or talking about something different to the bible ones
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:11, archived)
# Oh? So in what context do cherubs exist outside of the bible?
I'd wager that if you ask someone who's making cherub things where cherubs are from, they'll say the bible.
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:18, archived)
# well they possibly appeared in the Tanakh first
then the bible, but I've read interpretations in many works of fiction. Then there are people who paint cherubs (fat babies with wings) with no religious conotation whatsoever in the artist's mind.

But the point is cherubism the medical condition is named after the chubby babies in paintings, not the original source of those images be they large men with spears or creatures like this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Human_headed_winged_bull_facing.jpg which is a Shedu and possible original basis for the Cherubim.

It's like a bit like calling a vaccuum cleaner a hoover when its a dyson.
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:25, archived)
# Yes.
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:29, archived)
# I thought cherub
was what Sonny Bono used to do til he bought skis.
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:03, archived)
# cher rub?
LOLZ
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:20, archived)
# I think they were a medieval invention with looks based on cupid.
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:05, archived)
# based on raphaelite paintings of cupid
Cupid/Eros were both adult men at one point. Read the Iliad.
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:06, archived)
# no they weren't
primarily cos they AREN'T FUCKING REAL
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:08, archived)
# not the same thing
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:10, archived)
# i've changed this text four times now
don't think i wont do it a 5th!
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:13, archived)
# My understanding of Eros/Cupid
is that he was able to appear to man in any form he chose (I mean age of person actually )

I may be mistaken, it's been 25 years since I did any classical studies.
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:09, archived)
# As much as any other god, yes
but they tend to have favourite forms.
(, Fri 11 May 2007, 14:10, archived)