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# lolitics
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 14:37, archived)
# hahaha!!
(I helped save b3ta! ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 14:40, archived)
# Iraq 'victory'
Jesus.. Only the most heartless, right wing, war obsessed cnut could call this situation a victory.
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 14:41, archived)
# I was trying to find his exact quote, but the bbc page didn't have it
so maybe they made the sensationalist headline up
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 14:46, archived)
# From the Grauniad
"The surge has done more than turn the situation in Iraq around – it has opened the door to a major strategic victory in the broader war on terror"

Opened the door marked "For the love of God, do not open", more like.
(Fuiru Sting, where is thy death?, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 14:48, archived)
# From the Republican perspective
they have won, they get permanent war combined with an enemy they can scare the electorate with.

So it's quids in for Dick Cheney and all his mates in the defence industry, I mean whats a few hundred thousand dead Iraqis?
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 14:56, archived)
# Seems to be backfiring.
I'd say that the odds of a Republican win in any major election are pretty slim at the moment- people are getting VERY tired of the saber-rattling, combined with the general cluelessness of the current administration. Recently Dubya expressed surprise when told that gasoline had gotten to over $4/gallon in many areas. If that's not indicative of his being out of touch with reality, I don't know what is...
(I helped save b3ta! The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:03, archived)
# You'd think so, yes..
But America re-elected Bush. If you can fool the US electorate into doing that, then anything's possible, IMO!

Edit: On the other hand, we elected Blair..
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:05, archived)
# Personally
I don't believe America elected or re-elected Bush. I believe he lost then cheated with the aid of his influencial supporters on both occasions.
Blair, on the other hand, was elected fair and square. I understand that's more of a comment on the lack of credible opposition in the UK, but him winning a third term was still frankly astonishing.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:17, archived)
# I could not
agree more...
(I helped save b3ta! Dr. Blackwolf is sucking diesel on, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:21, archived)
# meh
not really when the opposition supported the war as well. Our politicians are such a bunch of arse-lickers..
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:23, archived)
# Pretty much.
There was a good reason that Al Gore raised such a fuss in 2000- he knew what had really gone on, but wasn't able to come up with enough proof. Hell, most of us knew... And in 2004, it was the same shit again, only with a narrower margin.

No question of it, he'll be remembered as one of the worst presidents of all time. If even Jimmy Carter says that about him, you know he sucks ass!
(I helped save b3ta! The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:26, archived)
# I knew it!
(I helped save b3ta! wheelybird mreee!, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 14:42, archived)
# I don't think that
you'd find very many over here who would consider Dubya's War to be anything other than a major clusterfuck. That is, no one outside of the White House- but then, at the moment I'd say that the occupants of that place are a bit out of the loop when it comes to this strange little place we call Earth.
(I helped save b3ta! The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Wed 19 Mar 2008, 14:50, archived)
# That last statement
goes for most people in the US tbh...
(I helped save b3ta! Dr. Blackwolf is sucking diesel on, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 14:54, archived)
# What part of the US
do you live in?
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 14:55, archived)
# I stayed in Chicago
for a very long stretch...most of them are pretty ignorant up there...

maybe I am being a little harsh with the broad generalisation but...meh
(I helped save b3ta! Dr. Blackwolf is sucking diesel on, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 14:58, archived)
# Admittedly though the UK
ain't much better

*going to live on the moon on my own blog*
(I helped save b3ta! Dr. Blackwolf is sucking diesel on, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:07, archived)
# Dunno about him
but I'm in Virginia, a bit closer to DC than I'd really like to be...
(I helped save b3ta! The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:00, archived)
# Isn't
Virginia a military town? I would have though they'd be supporting the war just out of habit..?
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:01, archived)
# Not a town, a state.
I'm in Richmond, and despite this being a very politically and socially conservative town (both aspects I hate, btw), even around here Dubya's War is not thought of as anything other than a total mess.

The only people I see supporting any of it are the redneck nutjobs that no one pays any attention to.

Although I have to say, everyone I know supports the troops and wants them back home. We support our people and respect them for what they're doing, but we want them to stop doing it just as much as they do.
(I helped save b3ta! The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:08, archived)
# I'm on the East Coast
pretty much just down the road from you :)
I actually really like DC, I've visited 3 or 4 times. It has weirdly European atmosphere in some ways I think.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:08, archived)
# Really?!?
I thought you were in England, for some reason! Gaz me- we should get a pint sometime!
(I helped save b3ta! The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:12, archived)
# I'm a displaced
and frankly confused Brit :)
I've been through Va a few times and stayed a couple of times. I liked it, although I don't think I'd like to live there. I like being near NYC, it's a nice change of pace.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:23, archived)
# Toasty
help me out here. I'm rissing hard.

Edit: specifically, why is "BBC" scribbled out and replaced with "The Guardian"?
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 14:53, archived)
# what bit?
ignore the Guardian but, that was just for Wheelybird's amusement.
the last paragraph is just me babbling
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 14:59, archived)
# Oh, ok.
I'm getting too fixated on the Guardian thing :)
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 15:04, archived)