Atheism isn't apathetic.I'm a very passionate atheist as I feel we don't get equal representation amoungst religion. You have certain rights if youare of a faith that you don't get as an atheist Saying there is a god is fine. Saying that Christ is is the saviour and those that don't believe will go to hell is acceptable. Saying that God and Christ do not exist and all those who believe in them are deluded by fairytails is unacceptable.
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riverghost servicing your mum since,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 8:59,
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I don't think you can equate beingan atheist with being religious. Atheism is merely a lack of belief in something surely?
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Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:01,
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No I don't think so.Atheist is believing that there are no deities and when you're dead your dead and living your life in accordance to this rather than letting it be guided by a church or by religious tenets.
Most people that say they're atheists are actually agnostic. When push comes to shove the chances are they'll start thinking or praying to a god.
I am an atheist and I don't think there is no god I know there is no god.
(Most people that say they're atheists are actually agnostic. When push comes to shove the chances are they'll start thinking or praying to a god.
I am an atheist and I don't think there is no god I know there is no god.
riverghost servicing your mum since,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:06,
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how was christmas this year?second I believe you are slightly misinterpreting the definition of agnostic.
ripped from wikipedia:
"Agnosticism (Greek: α- a-, without + γνώσις gnsis, knowledge; after Gnosticism) is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, ghosts, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove. It is often mistakenly put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism.[1]"
So there would be no real point 'when push comes to shove' that an agnostic would start to pray. I can't remember the term that is used to describe such a person though (*retreats from arguing further*)
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Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:09,
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ripped from wikipedia:
"Agnosticism (Greek: α- a-, without + γνώσις gnsis, knowledge; after Gnosticism) is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, ghosts, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove. It is often mistakenly put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism.[1]"
So there would be no real point 'when push comes to shove' that an agnostic would start to pray. I can't remember the term that is used to describe such a person though (*retreats from arguing further*)
Didn' celebrate it.I worked. Although in the UK it's a national holiday and I normally do celebrate it I tend to spend it with friends and it's no way a religious celebration it's more of a celebration of friendship.
( riverghost servicing your mum since,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:11,
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There is a big difference between "not believing" and "believing there is not"
Mu Dinofiddler,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:10,
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How about:You think there is no God. Agnostics don't think there is no God, they feel there is no God.
...unless you really are dogmatic about it. Our language isn't really ready to accommodate the idea of being certain but fallible, unfortunately. The only attitudes we can easily express are "I am in doubt" or "I am an authoritarian shit".
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Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:10,
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...unless you really are dogmatic about it. Our language isn't really ready to accommodate the idea of being certain but fallible, unfortunately. The only attitudes we can easily express are "I am in doubt" or "I am an authoritarian shit".
Agnostics are not sure or undecidedI'd say I was an atheist and boaderline nihilist.
( riverghost servicing your mum since,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:14,
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See above edits.Sorry about my habit of posting before I've decided what to write.
PS what's nihilism, according to you?
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Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:16,
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PS what's nihilism, according to you?
I think valid arguments could be made along the lines that atheists should be accorded the same compensation as religious people (and tend not to be)but it's very rare you find a 'devout' atheist.
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Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:08,
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Oh noThere's a lot of us. Try googling it.
( riverghost servicing your mum since,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:21,
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I don't think so, because what compensations could an atheist claim? Mu Dinofiddler,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:25,
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Why would I focus on Christ? As an atheist I disbelieve all religions equally.And people get quite defensive when you pick on their religion specifically.
( Mu Dinofiddler,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:07,
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1) I meant Christ as an example2) If you define religion as a faith which one leads their lives by the atheism is a religion.
( riverghost servicing your mum since,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:09,
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It isn't a faith. It is a lack of faith. A space where there is no egg is not defined by the lack of it. Mu Dinofiddler,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:11,
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Yeah but just coz the egg's not there doesn't mean ther's not something else in it's place. riverghost servicing your mum since,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:16,
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Just because something else is there doesn't mean it has anything to do with eggs :) Mu Dinofiddler,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:19,
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This is the point I was trying to make :) Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:16,
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yes, but the space may be defined irrespective of whether it contains an egg or not.
Thank you for trampling all over my perfectly good metaphor.:)
( Mu Dinofiddler,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:24,
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Proper atheism is apatheticit is most often truly defined by lack of faith and a not belong to an organised religion.
Dawkins' brand of hectoring, rabble-raising atheism is however nothing I wish to be part of. He seems to think that creating a collective conscience of atheism will be helpful. I prefer to form and hold my own opinions based on my own personal analysis of information I come into contact with. Dawkins, whether he knows it or not (and I dare say he knows fine well) is constructing a brand of atheism that reeks of organised religion, and for that reason, rather than his good arguments against religion, he can take a running fuck up himself and take all the other hectoring intolerant cunts with him.
(Dawkins' brand of hectoring, rabble-raising atheism is however nothing I wish to be part of. He seems to think that creating a collective conscience of atheism will be helpful. I prefer to form and hold my own opinions based on my own personal analysis of information I come into contact with. Dawkins, whether he knows it or not (and I dare say he knows fine well) is constructing a brand of atheism that reeks of organised religion, and for that reason, rather than his good arguments against religion, he can take a running fuck up himself and take all the other hectoring intolerant cunts with him.
drbroon abloooobloobloo,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:27,
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Dawkins has (if you ignore is religion baiting) done some very serious work on evolution. Mu Dinofiddler,
Thu 12 Feb 2009, 9:31,
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