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# This started out as a picture of a bottle of irn bru but I seem to have got somewhat distracted
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# She looks quite sturdy

I like that in a girl
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# =D
(I helped save b3ta! ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 10:15, archived)
# Agreed
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# She needs a better bra.
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 10:14, archived)
# what is wrong with her current one?
I'm happy to receive artistic criticism do you think I have draw her breasts wrong?
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# yeah, you drew a shirt over them.
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 9 Aug 2009, 10:25, archived)
# ^ This

Ning k3b/-\b !
(I helped save b3ta! Wobbly Bloke Hello, did I miss anything on, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 10:25, archived)
# pfft
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# She just looks like she needs some better support.
And you might want to consider how the fabric of her shirt stretches over them. It's skintight underneath them, but looser at the top.
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 10:25, archived)
# I thought they almost looked too high but that could be because I have drawn her torso too long.
I see what you mean about the way the fabric stretches.

There is only one solution more research.

*googles for busty women in tight T shirts*
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# If you want to draw people you should study anatomy
actually people say if you want to draw anything you should study anatomy. fuckin' anatomy.


and no, looking at busty ladies doesn't count :(
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 10:38, archived)
# Looking at busty ladies ALWAYS counts.
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 10:41, archived)
# I had to look at a lot of busty ladies to
draw the pictures in my profile :D
(Metalfish Hasn't had a sig since, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 11:03, archived)
# You are right
I have been avoiding learning how to actually draw people properly for far too long. I should bite the bullet and do it sometime.
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# Torso too long?

I thought it was merely a case of her head being too small compared to the rest
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 10:39, archived)
# small heads are a massive problem when drawing people, that's why i love digital drawings
you draw the head larger than you want on a separate layer and scale.
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 9 Aug 2009, 10:54, archived)
# The proportions are slightly out but don't seem to bad


but the breasts do look rather wrong :(
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# it isn't just proportion, it's stance and weight
you gotta know how gravity and weight affects the whole body, a rigid medical chart can't tell you that
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 11:04, archived)
# True
Why does trying to be good at something have to be so hard? :P
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# if it were easy everyone would do it and it'd be nothing special
also, and I know I'm doing nothing but criticising you here but I like to see people improve, smooth lineart with variable line thickness can add a lot of style. At the moment it looks like you just draw straight into photoshop or gimp with a thin brush at low resolution
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 11:16, archived)
# Don't worry about the criticism I appreciate the advice
That issue with the line art was actually what I was trying to work on in this picture.

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# Yeah
You might want to try using a different program for lines, one designed for lineart, and then transfer it to photoshop/gimp for colouring.

Or play with the brush settings and find some custom brushes, maybe.
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 11:33, archived)
# I've always used GIMP as I am familiar with it and it doesn't cost any money.
I have a copy of Corel Painter Essentials 3 that I never installed is that any good?
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# No idea, never tried it
I don't know much about gimp either, but I imagine it has the same brush settings as photoshop. I hate photoshop brushes, they're no fun :(
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 11:41, archived)
# I'll give it go but I'm not convinced a new program is going to improve my drawing ability :)
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# You'd be surprised how much difference it makes, really
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 11:57, archived)
# Yes.
But I'm biased. I work in Corel Painter, and rarely in photoshop.

I think the main difference with Essentials is it's missing the majority of the brush library of Painter. But so long as it's got Detail Oils you'll be fine (well, 's what I use for lines anyway. You may prefer felt tips or summat).
(I helped save b3ta! Troo Troo Barney McGrew, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 11:44, archived)
# You could try Artrage starter .....it's free
www.ambientdesign.com/artrage.html
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# it's not bad, the tits are huge though.
i'm not sure why people worry about proportion so much in cartoony style sketches.
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 9 Aug 2009, 11:12, archived)
# It's more that they look sorta stuck on
rather than the size. Knockers that big would have more of a sense of perspective.
(Metalfish Hasn't had a sig since, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 11:14, archived)
# It's how it is
in cartoons they base their proportions on real anatomical proportion and then scale it, carefully, so it looks like it COULD physically exist. If you get it just slightly wrong it sticks the fuck out, you just notice it as being wrong and it makes the picture less appealing.

You can't look at your own pictures and see it, though, for some reason, which is pretty annoying.
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 11:18, archived)
# yeah that pic doesn't look too bad for mine, maybe blinded by the tits.
:)
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 9 Aug 2009, 11:27, archived)
# the power of tits compels you!
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# Tell that to JollyJack ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 11:46, archived)
# he knows anatomy
he just likes that old comic book way of drawing women where their tits are bigger than their heads and their waists are smaller than their thighs.

also he likes his women to be 50ft tall and a squirrel
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 11:50, archived)
# He may well know human anatomy,
but his squirrels are more certainly not anatomically correct! And I am accepting no arguments about that at all!
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# nicely
(I helped save b3ta! ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 10:14, archived)
# :)
Thanks
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# is that a gun in her pocket or is she happy to see me?
(k3b/-\b Peace man., Sun 9 Aug 2009, 10:16, archived)
# nope it is a bottle of irn bru
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# Yeah - Study Girl!
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# She looks eager.
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 10:26, archived)
# O.o
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# She's eyein' you up lad.
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Sun 9 Aug 2009, 10:35, archived)
# *makes polite excuses and leaves*
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# lara's let herself go
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# haha
I hadn't noticed the similarities till you pointed that out :D
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# :)
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