In case you're not fed up with hearing about trophy hunting in Africa
a non-shrill piece about the implications of a total ban
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 7:32,
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Appart from crazies, nobody is for a total ban.
But against the equivalent of luring Lassie off the movie set with a chew bone.
Shooting her with the efficiency of a toddler's typing skills, watching her agonise for a few hours then chop off her head ISIS stylin'.
And lastly posting it on her Facebook fan page.
Of course there are not sufficient apex predators (we shot too many) and humans need to tidy up the resulting mess.
But luring a GPS tagged national symbol out of a park and all the rest is indefensible.
(, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 8:37, Reply)
why are people who want a ban on killing animals for shits and giggles "crazies"?
Just because a country makes a load of money from killing animals doesn't make it acceptable or even a necessary evil. There are always other options.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 8:57,
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They could learn to take photos instead - more skill required too, so that would give them more to boast about.
Plenty of equipment to fetishise too.
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fred zeppelin II: Electric Boogaloo, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 9:07,
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Evey subject has fetishists and assorted snobs...
I'm doing wood stuff that need traditional wood cutting tools.
There's a lot of video on how to sharpen blades...
... A lot run to more that 30 minutes, just for basic straight edge sharpening, not even adjusting it.
You need water stones, oil stones, contraptions to hold the blade at a perfect comity approved angle all the way to 10 000 grit and above in small steps. Not forgetting perfectly flat stones, other stones you rub on the first stones, distilled water and specialist oil made form the skin of beetles.
Confused by all this I asked a local traditional bespoke cabinet maker about his method.
Water abrasive paper, 180, 500, 1000, a 30 by 30cm granite tile and window cleaner.
I've seen him sharpen a plane in minutes. That includes taking it out and puting it back together...
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We need more posts about sharpening tools!
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omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 15:07,
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Flattery
About flattening flat irons for a flattering flat finish...
Will get you nowhere.
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Why so sharp? I was actually serious : )
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omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 20:17,
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Other options;
For example: African Buffalo.
How do you control herd size in reserve area so they don't kill the other inmates?
I mean in a realistic manner? Even lions refrain from having a go at them.
Shooting a few of them is the only real option.
The parks actually finance a lot of conservation off a few bullets.
I would never do it, but if whack-jobs with big guns and small penises want to pay for conservation that way, I'm ok with it.
But that does not mean a free for all.
It should be done in a controlled manner, on specific animals where the money actually ends up doing something good (like protecting EW and CR species).
And it must be a single bullet instant death scenario, not the dodgy horror scrip that Cecil had to suffer.
Killing photo rent earners like Cecil was is financially indefensible. The earnings for lodging alone to see him and his group was his death price every 3 months...
(, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 9:12, Reply)
if there is a need to cull a herd
I don't see how giving the job to someone who gets off on it is a good thing.
That's like selling the chance to pull the switch on a death row inmate to the highest bidder.
Sure it might give some funds to the prison or even the family of those he has killed, but it's still fucked up.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 9:15,
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MONEY LOADS OF MONEY
To finance the protection of the other species.
If done properly, the animals are butchered earning even more from meat, hides or Chinese erection deficiency cures.
You and I would not do it, but parks would be financially irresponsible not to.
(, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 9:18, Reply)
^
If you need to manage an animal population, manage the animal population professionally; not by auctioning off the deed to the hands of psychotic mentalists. These people need medical help, not a free reign killing things. The concept of rich hunters buying their way into other countries to kill their wildlife is loathsome.
The argument their money actually benefits conservation, or the local people is highly questionable. Firstly as a conservationist, or someone working in conservation, you would have to seriously ignore your own fundamental principals to take that money from these wankers in the first place. It's just rich people running amok not giving a shit about wildlife having a highly irresponsible attitude to often endangered species, and it's not sustainable. Telling Africans to conserve their wildlife whilst a few rich westerners go in a kill it also reeks of colonialism. Also in an age of poaching for pseudo scientific bollocks medicine in animal body parts, and the trade in ivory, trophy hunting is a serious distraction.
This highlights quite how sick the mentality of these hunters is:
Exposing the Safari Club International
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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 12:01,
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I agree with you...
...But reality is somewhat messier that the pure concept that you expose.
As an aside, I hate hunting, I hate killing stuff, even pruning trees makes me question humanity...
The concept of "wankers running amok" is what's to be avoided: it should be long tracking expeditions, following tracks and shit.
Not shooting an animal eating a lure with a bow from a car while drinking beer.
It should be organised by the parks for their conservation efforts and financial gain. Not poachers out for a quick buck.
The act of killing certain animals was the privilege of the few in precolonial Africa, as in the British Isles.
In any case, there is no perfect solution,except getting all humans out of the scenery, park them on Mars in steel rabbit hutches and let nature do it's thing without our intervention.
But that's going to be complicated.
So a zombie apocalypse where only 1 to 5% of humans survive is the next best option.
Where you and I have a 95 to 99% chance of ending up as "braaainns".
(, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 12:31, Reply)
Why not let them hunt poachers instead?
Saves animals from extinction, does the park rangers' jobs for them... everyone's a winner.
Human trophies could be a new craze. A wall full of mounted nobs would make quite the conversation piece at dinner parties.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 9:19,
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Well that's the whole idea (in a perfect idea)
Fat Boby Gee with his big gawn pays a lot to knock off a Buffalo.
This in turn pays the salaries of the warden who knock off poachers.
In an ideal world, I bet Boby Gee would looove to pump lead into poachers directly - and pay top dollars for it.
But rich fat white men shooting poor black Africans might run into some wee legal hurdles.
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But the US seems quite content shooting black people at home.
Why would they get uppity about people doing it on holiday?
Is it the unions? Are they complaing that if dentists shoot black people it is robbing hard working policemen of the opportunity?
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 13:51,
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I think we need a marketing campaign in China...
...to tell the 'traditional medicine purveyors'* that dried poacher penis is far more effective in their remedies than any part of a wild animal.
*Fucking mumbo jumbo artists. Saw a part of a programme last night where they're paying $27,000/kilo for fungus-infused, dead caterpillars. FFS.
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Two companies have recently developed synthetic rhino horn
but conservationists doubt such alternatives would make any difference. For wealthy Chinese consumers the real thing is a status symbol.
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 10:22,
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really?
Synthesizing a substance that has no medicinal effect to sell to people that think it does.
That's properly mad when you think about it
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It is
www.savetherhino.org/rhino_info/thorny_issues/synthetic_rhino_horn_will_it_save_the_rhino
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 11:45,
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Pretty interesting for a fungus.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_sinensis
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omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 13:59,
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"Appart from crazies, nobody is for a total ban"
Sure thing, Troy McClure! You'd have to be a grade-A-moron to hold an opinion different to yours.
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Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 10:39,
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Inflexible dogmatic
If for a total ban that ignores reality because all animal are fluffy pink wabbits.
Me thinks the absolutist side of PETA.
My opinion is that that there multiple opinions that are totally valid and might be totally different to mine.
Furthermore, what is valid at a given place and time might not be at another. So one has to have multiple and flexible opinions in such complex matters.
If exporting excess animals (yes that does exist, even in a Wildlife conservation park) to other places that are lacking said beasts to balance their ecosystems, that would be perfect.
But then there is the fuck up that it's costing instead of earning. Reality a bitch and she's high maintenance.
So henceforth the imperfect solution of selective culling by rich pricks to finance Wildlife conservation.
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PETA?
That's the People for Extermination of Troublesome Animals isn't it?
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DON'T EAT MEAT
While we euthanase Lassie here.
(I did not know of that loony bin fringe - internet's one hell of a big place)
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...to say nothing about the porn film they made
"Blue PETA"
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Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 14:57,
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MURDERING PRICKLORD
*throws red paint*
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Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 14:23,
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Sod the environmental impact
I'm all for a ban on class warfare grounds.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 12:39,
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Are there grounds for class warfare?
Like village cricket fields where rich and poor settle their differences in 50 aside battles?
And why should one want to ban this? It would make great TV.
(, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 12:53, Reply)
For hunting in the UK, probably. For hunting in Africa it's none of our fucking business!
If they want to preserve wildlife by organised paid culls, its none of our business. If they want to have a thriving export market in rhino horn and lion bones, it's none of our business. If they want to stop their farmers starving by giving them an an alternative employment as hunting guides, it's none of our business.
If we want to make it our business, then maybe we in the developed world should actually do more to support those we happen to share a planet with than lecture them about how they should care for the cuddly animals.
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da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 13:45,
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Or you know, get tourists to shoot therm with cameras only
and get locals (who could do with the money) to manage herd/pride sizes in a sensible manner.
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That's the normal situation
But what do you do if Buffalo's are better at fucking than timid wilderbeest and start pushing them out of their habitats?
Get more lions? Lions will go for the remaining wilderbeest and then cattle before approaching Buffaloes.
So a local gets to cull one. Fine and dandy. 20£ for the park and conservation effort, yeah, that will buy pay a lot of game warden's salaries to protect Black Rhinos.
Or you get a fat cunt (I think that's the official term) with his Wiiincheeeesterrrr to run around in the bush for 4 days and 10000£ (the official going rate for a Buffalo excluding board and lodging).
It's not a nice reality, but that's one of the best ways to finance conservation right now.
Personally, I'd rather give a Buffalo cocaine, alcohol and a kevlar vest before releasing it and a couple of his craziest friends in a locked door NRA event.
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