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This is a link post Ken Livingston
"Sure, but Hitler was kind to dogs."
"No."
(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 14:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post Haven't time to watch that clip right now, what are the highlights
Just seen he's been suspended from Labour for daring to mention that this happened
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 14:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well...
It's just Ken being Ken really. He trots out his utterly implausible line that in all his 47 years as a member of the Labour Party he's never witnessed any anti semitism and then Brillo Wig man gives about a dozen recent examples and Ken ties himself in knots with his usual disingenuous and dishonest fare. The Hitler/dog line is not Ken's, but it made me do a lol, because it pretty much sums up Ken's defence of all the Jew hatred that Labour is embracing these days. As for your loony left Haavara Agreement conspiracy, shame on you. It let Hitler have his cake and eat it; get rid of Jews and make money out of their capital in the process. Anyone who thinks it makes Hitler a Zionist is a complete spastic.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 14:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post +1 for Brillo Wig man

(theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 14:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post He's been referred to as "Brillo" in Private Eye since the '80s
Please find attached contractually required photo.


 (m.auron, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post this years Eurovision entry?

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post I caught that when I tried skipping through
Why would he know everything people he has never met said - especially as he was never leader?
and how is the views of 0.0012% of the party (some of who have been suspended already) considered a major party problem?
Not siding with Ken, just wondering what the fuck is wrong with the media these days
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 14:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's funny the prejudices and bigotry that pinkos like you get your knickers in a twist about,
and those you just shrug your shoulders about and say "Meh, no big deal."
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 14:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post At what point have I said anti-semitism is no big deal?
I'm just confused by the blaming of everyone other than the shits themselves
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post You made up a statistic to support your argument.
Your stat has no basis in fact. You claim, again with zero evidence, that all anti-semites have been suspended. But most tellingly of all, after several publicly elected officials, from councillors to a M.P., have be proven to express anti semitic views, and subsequently suspended, you ask how this is "considered a major party problem."
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post haha, you're funny
the .0012% was just based on your saying a dozen (I mistakenly thought there were a million Labour supporters, its half that, so 0.0024%)
I also didn't say all semites have been suspended, I said some, which was just what was said in the link you posted.
And working purely on numbers (I don't have a list of names or roles held) a dozen out of half a million is a very small minority.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah mate, no big deal.
It's a big deal if a UKIPPER or a Tory is rude about a muzzy, but a bit of Labour Jew bashing? That's just the hysterical right wing media making a lot of fuss about nothing.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post the bbc are right wing media?
I thought they were the lefty liberalist evil
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ha!
The BBC's coverage online has hardened significantly since the story broke and Ken started digging deeper as he toured the studios (LBC, Daily Politics, World at One etc). After the disastrous first interview at LBC that sealed his fate the headline read "Livingstone attacked for defending MP in anti semitism row". Within an hour the word attacked was changed to criticised. Now the line is he has been suspended because he's been a naughty boy. It took them over two hours to come round to that point of view. They went easy on him for as long as they could.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've no love for Ken
In fact I think he's a complete arse. However I can't help but feel deeply uncomfortable about this. Criticism of the actions of state the of Israel is not the same as criticism of Jews. It requires careful handling because it's a sensitive area and I think that's probably where Ken fails as that interview shows him as a bit of a dinosaur.

What the others were suspended for was clearly beyond the pale, but I'm failing to see a single thing he's said there or indeed anywhere as genuinely antisemitic.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post You need to look into what the woman he was defending said.
Also telling a Jew on the radio that anti-semitism is not racism. I'll see if I can find the audio. I'm not racist but only a fucking cunt would say something that stupid.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post you say a lot of stupid things
#justsaying
 (I helped save b3ta! A Rory Borealis here under duress, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post hold on, MY loony left Haavara Agreement conspiracy?
I've only just looked it up to try and see what he's talking about
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah yeah.
Your immediate response was to say "oh poor old Ken, he's been suspended for daring to mention a historical fact."
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post there was no "poor Ken" in my reply
I was hoping for some bulletpoints to understand the current news story, wWhich all I knew at that time was he'd mentioned some 1932 nazi plan and another Labour MP had shouted he's racist in the street
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post You are so disingenuous.
The implication of the term "daring to mention" is crystal fucking clear. This isn't the first time I've bickered with you and you've resorted to mealy mouthed weasel words to back track on an ill thought out and unpleasant viewpoint.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post what's my viewpoint?
other than not knowing what's going on
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post Pleading ignorance eh?
That's not like you at all HT. You seemed to know of the Haavara Agreement, which Ken didn't mention by name. Pretty esoteric knowledge Toast. I only knew of it very vaguely as I keep an eye on the loony Jew hater that publishes thedailystormer. He really hates the kikes. You should check out his site. I think you'll like it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post as I said at the start, I googled it wondering what he was on about in the news clip I saw with the shouty man in the street
And you forgot to say what my "ill thought out and unpleasant viewpoint" is
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post That expressions of anti semitism by any publicly elected politicians ought not be "considered a major party problem."
In addition to the fact that the media coverage of such events elicits this from you: "What the fuck is wrong with the media these days?" Presumably you'd favour a cover up.
Check and mate spaz features.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post impressive twisting of words, is this just comedy trolling or are you serious now?
You brought anti-semitism in to this, you seem quite obsessed, I was talking percentages, nothing more at the time.
It could have been 0.0012% of LibDem MPs saying they liked to rub their groins against stinging nettles in public, the question was how it is acceptable that that such a minority is taken as a majority in the eyes of the media.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ha ha ha. You're doing the comedy trolling.
Direct quotes, in context equal twisting of words according to you. Highly reminiscent of Labour's defence of Naz Shah: Journalists asked a spokesman for Jeremy Corbyn whether Mrs Shah was anti-Semitic. "We’re not suggesting she’s anti-Semitic,” said the spokesman. “We’re saying she’s made remarks that she doesn’t agree with.” Furthermore, how earth is it me who brought anti semitism into this? The whole substance of the story is anti semitism, alleged or actual, that's what the original link is all about. Maybe you should actually watch it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post if you think that then you've really misunderstood what I typed
and yes, "considered a major party problem." is a direct quote, but not the bit you added to the start of it to make it about something else and not simply percentages.
I don't need to watch the clip now, I've read that it's about brillo pads and nazis. I'm not a fan of either.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post I quoted you directly, and did not use said quotes out of context. My reading comprehension is just fine.
You seem to think it's no big deal, hence what you said as I quoted. I think anti semitism is a big deal. Especially when it comes from a publicly elected official, regardless of what percentage of publicly elected officials from any party that they make up.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post round and round in circles

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 17:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post You've lost the matter of the argument, so you resort to trying to discredit the method of argument.
There is nothing circular about my argument; it is entirely linear. Repetitive perhaps, but when you argue with someone who is evasive and disingenuous, that's not a crime.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 17:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've lost the argument in as much as you refuse to hear what I am saying
I can't be bothered any more. In no way am I defending any anti-semite MP tosspots as you think and in no way am I saying anti-semitism isn't a big deal.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 17:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post You started out saying it was no biggie.
Now you concede it is.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 17:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post ffs my view on that didn't change
I said 0.0012% is not big, numbers, not subjects
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 17:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'd like to see your scurrilous data held up to analysis.
Is that a percentage of Labour MPs? Or all Labour Party members? Define your terms.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 23:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post He defined them further up the thread, you even replied to it - were you drunk again by the time you got back round to posting this?
To quote a leading authority - "you thick cunt".
 (I helped save b3ta! Pig Bodine., Fri 29 Apr 2016, 9:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post 'Jew hatred'?
or disagreement with middle eastern country and its policies regarding near neighbours?
 (LetsGetDownToIt, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post He makes a valid point about the difference between xenophobia and racism
criticising Israel's actions must not ever be confused with antisemitism. As far as I am concerned antisemitism is just another word for racism directed at individual jews not the Israeli state. To say I dont trust Nigerians is a xenophobic (and ignorant) comment but it's not racist.
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 14:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post No.
Xenophobia is a phobia of the unknown or alien. Racism used to be about discrimination against people on the basis of race, most usually on the basis of colour, creed and ethnicity. Then the pinkos decided that that didn't suit their agenda so it was redefined as Racism = Power + Prejudice. I'm not making this shit up, Google it. The reason this definition was adopted as it means minorities, having no power, are incapable or being racist. Then came the McPherson report. Thanks to him, racism was defined purely by subjective perception. Ergo, if anyone perceives anything to be racist, it is, de facto racist. No further evidence is required. See also 'micro-aggressions'. Now the left say that criticism of Islam is racist, despite Islam not being a race. The left seems to think, rather patronisingly, that since the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not white, any non favourable view of Islam is racism. This is odd, given pinkos habit of regularly conflating Israel and its foreign policy with the global Jewish diaspora. And technically speaking, unlike Islam, Judaism is a race, as it is passed on via the maternal bloodline.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post you're racist toward pinkos
What have you got against Pinkoslavia?
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Mainly your apologies and exculpating of Jew hatred.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post You think I'm from Pinkoslavia?
Why because of my skintone? you massive fucking racist
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post I refer to my sig.
And I like white toast. Even if all ends up brown.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post
nice new sig
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 21:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post Amazing twaddle

(theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes it is. And all true.
Google "power plus prejudice" and "micro-aggression" and "McPherson report". Or don't. I don't care.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post the recommendations from the McPherson report
were aimed at making the police better at handling and recording racism claims (be they valid or not) and stopping the police from being institutionally racist.

Power plus prejudice is a redefinition of racism. The old one is still there - Shit as it is: see Article 1 of the UN's ICERD.

As far as I can see micro-agression is just racism or sexism etc.

edit: so basically you've joined a few of these terms together, added in a bit of your personal opinion and created a wonderful fantasy land to live in. On your own.
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post You've triggered me! I demand a safe space!
The fact that you understand both those bizarre sentences above demonstrate that I am right, and you are wrong.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 17:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post what?
*backs away slowly*
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 17:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Wasnt Milliband a Jew?

(robneymcplum spiced up his life on, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post
"Wasn't"?? Is he dead now too?? 2016 really IS taking it's deadly toll. RIP Ed :(
 (No6, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Sorry,
I mean 'wasn't the last leader of the party a jew'
 (robneymcplum spiced up his life on, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post No idea
But Livingstone is a complete and utter twat
 (Dr_Goats Stop staring at me, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 15:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hitler made the trains run on time …
… but Ken implemented "Fares Fair".
 (m.auron, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh look he's had loads of previous
He's been throwing around Nazi/Jewish jibes for years. He had that spat with the jewish reporter etc. etc.

I imagine this was just the last straw for the party - The same thing happened with Galloway
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post 10.16 - "And that JEW process has already started"?
What Jew process Ken??!
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 17:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post come on people, it's simple
saying that 'criticism of Israel is not the same thing as anti-semitism' is anti-semitic. you fucking racists.
 (Melatonin, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 18:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well according to the Grauniad
I'm already a racist for correcting grammar anyway.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 19:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post perhaps not a racist
But certainly a cultural imperialist.
Don't adopt that grammar either though, as that's cultural appropriation.

best just ignore it.
 (Melatonin, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 20:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post wow they really want him out don't they.
that was real courtroom prosecution stuff.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Thu 28 Apr 2016, 22:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post John Mann...
What a disgrace. A serving MP chasing and hollering at a colleague in public like some ignorant loon on the street with a placard. Either talk to Ken in a civil manner or report him. Sure his poor struggling constituents are getting value for money there.
 (I helped save b3ta! transparenttown Dead to worse..., Fri 29 Apr 2016, 11:53, , Reply)