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This is a link post The price for keeping Merkel in power is a United States of Europe by 2025.
Expulsion for those that don't agree.
If as net contributors to the eu project we're having a hard time leaving that means a lot of countries that are in dept to the project will be forced to stay and give up the last illusion of sovereignty.

Not certain by any means, Merkel may instead go to the polls again and seek a new mandate but that's not likely.

Sorry, I really tried to not get involved in another eu debate today but this one is too juicy to pass up.
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This is a normal post Paywalled

(I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 15:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ah it's that sneaky thing about working via google news but if you share the link it stops working.
www.google.co.uk/search?q=Martin+Schulz+spd+2025&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjns-i-nPjXAhWnDMAKHRTDAS4Q_AUICigB&biw=1211&bih=815

The links from this should work.

If not the indy link looks ok
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-brexit-united-states-of-europe-martin-schulz-angela-merkel-coalition-spd-cdu-german-elections-a8097356.html
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 15:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post Congratulations you've gone the full Infowars.
Your swivel-eye expansion pack and tinfoil loon hat are in the post.
 (I helped save b3ta! transparenttown Dead to worse..., Thu 7 Dec 2017, 15:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post How's that then?
Just passing on what is being reported by all sides of the media.
No spin, I even put in some caveats that it was not certain by any means.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 16:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post so just shit stirring then?

(I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 16:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's not me that just let the veil drop in front of the worlds media.

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 16:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post You are blind.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 17:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post But on the upside both my blind eyes go in the same direction.

(I helped save b3ta! transparenttown Dead to worse..., Thu 7 Dec 2017, 17:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'll just put this here
you swivel eyed loons.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-defence/seven-decades-in-the-making-eu-set-to-sign-defence-pact-idUKKBN1E811Z?rpc=401&
 (I helped save b3ta! ChairmanMiaow Stop! Look! Kitten!, Thu 14 Dec 2017, 10:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post I like the sound of that
hopefully we can follow that with a United world
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 15:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well lets hope it ends up better than the USA or former USSR.

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 16:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post well you wouldn't hope that it was worse now would you?

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 16:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post And be stuck with the neighbours from hell?
No thanks. Let's hope they learn the lessons of other blocs around the world.

Speaking of which, I wonder how Putin will react if former soviet republics and allied states join the USE? I expect he will respect everone's wishes and send chocolates.
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This is a normal post They can't even sort out a single currency
Without making a deceitful, shambolic pig's arse of it. Good luck with a USE.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 16:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post Did it collapse during the greatest financial crisis since the 1930s.

(I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 21:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post I am sorry, you're quite right.
The Euro is a stunning success, as I'm sure the Greeks will agree.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 21:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post
And Ireland, Portugal, Spain, and damn near Italy.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 22:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'll stick with democracy, imperfect as it is, ta very much.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 17:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post "We need a European finance minister
who curbs the race to the bottom in tax policy and ends the insufferable avoidance of tax. We need a European framework for a minimum wage that ends wage dumping."

Sounds awful.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 16:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post In order for this to happen eu countries will have to give up all illusion that they are independent.
All issues of national sovereignty aside.
Lets say this happens.

Do you set it so a worker in Poland or Greece can get a fair living wage or set it so a worker in Germany or France can just about get by but Poland or Greece can no longer afford to hire staff?
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 16:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post I don't see any of it happening.
Unless other countries agree, I assume all he can get is the idea mooted? (Happy to be told otherwise - genuinely don't know how such things work.)
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 17:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post In an a perfect world power would be fairly distributed and consensus would be needed.
In reality because Germany makes the greatest financial contribute and has the largest population as a nation the hold a lot of power. You'll see it was Merkel that did all the negotiations with Greece in 2015 debt crisis and arranged the dirty deal with Turkey on sending back migrants.

Add to the mix a highly europhile Macron and what they want will pretty much happen.

And if it doesn't happen now it will do at some point as that is the end goal for the eu.
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This is a normal post they want a federation love
All the ludicrous parochial chauvinists will be permitted to get dewy-eyed at whatever flag they choose. Like in Texas
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 20:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post I want a blowjob off a unicorn
That ain't happening either.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 16:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well that's a good way to lose an eye...

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 16:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post Damn that lying campaign bus.

(I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 17:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post "HIYA"

(I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 17:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post I hope someone did a risk assesment on that appendage...

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 19:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post About the most sensible post in this thread.
Well done Tabs.
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This is a normal post So how'd that work then?
How's a president get chosen without pissing of the least populous countries?

How are they going to set a single minimum wage for a whole range of nations that have different cost of living and stages of economic development?

When is eurotrash going to be back on telly?
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 17:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post merkel arrives in Athens
Customs asks her name 'Angela Merkel'
The he says 'occupation?'
'No, I'm just visiting.'
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Thu 7 Dec 2017, 19:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post \•/
A man is going through customs entering Australia...

The man behind the desk asks him "do you have a criminal record?" The man replies "No, I didn't know that was still a requirement"
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