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In comments about "The Trippin Forecast" (below) I asked Rob Manuel about hate speech,
Why he had not replied to my gaz sent on 16 June,
And why b3ta still allowed hate speech such as "retard", which I gave a link to.
But hey, this will probably be deleted too.
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 21:44, Reply)
I know a lot of retards. I wouldn't say I felt particularly hateful towards most of them, though. They can't help it.
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 21:46, Reply)
I know a lot of people with learning difficulties.
They were often called "retards" by people like you.
Like black people were called "niggers", and gay people were called "faggots".
Fortunately, society is now moving away from those bad times.
I think you've figured out it's not OK to call black people niggers.
You've probably figured it's not OK to call gay people fags.
Now, can you work our why it's not OK to call peeople retards?
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 22:02, Reply)
I was called a retard a lot as a kid in the UK.
Probably because those kids had not levelled up to racism yet.
In any case, it never harmed me because I'm only on the Gallic spectrum.
But if I was on the easy to offend spectrum, at least 10% of the words in the English dictionary
can be used to denigrate Frogs directly of by unsubtle metaphors, so I should advocate for their removal.
Pretty silly position, even for a cheese fucker.
I advocate the use of intelligence, and seeing out small numbers here, that is a manageable option:
If a fat 45 year old retard calls a obese 43 year old retard a "retard"... From the sanctity of their respective mums basement.
Even a real educationally challenged person would think "retards" and get a chuckle.
But if educationally challenged person comes and posts their cobbled together reviews of chips packets,
calling that person names such as "retard" is obnoxious, unfunny and hurtful to that educationally challenged person.
So don't call him "retard" duh.
And as an aside, there are far better insults such as "cock wobble", "Vegemite lover" etc.
So boys and grown men; be smart.
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 22:25, Reply)
How to have extreme angry insulting language without upsetting someone is oxymoronic and unfeasible. .
Some elements of humour are based on the 'wrongness' of the concept/delivery.
Actual use depends on who is using them, the audience and why they are used.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 26 Jun 2020, 22:44,
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well it is possible you free felinae fiend.
And just saying "crumpet" probably is deeply
insulting to someone, somewhere, who is both
gluten intolerant, of the finer sex and hot.
So not to be found on this board.
Banning speech instead of promoting education is
a very slippery slope to Newspeak (this is not
meant to be an insult to slick criminals and
Asians)
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 22:54, Reply)
Please go to an airport and shout "I have a bomb, I'm gonna kill everyone, allahu akbar".
Let me know how that goes.
But free speech eh?
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 23:19, Reply)
Erm
My dear chap, that's were the education part
comes into effect. I know that this action is
both unfunny and offensive.
But if I was to walk into the workshop on a Friday near closing time with cold beers taped to my nearly naked body, shouting the same thing
THAT would be funny.
Got to go, my son is crying, probably lost his pacifier - AGAIN.
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 23:26, Reply)
So nobody should say anything that might offend somebody.
No discretion, no allowances, no exceptions.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 26 Jun 2020, 23:42,
Reply)
You can call me "frog"
Or "smelly cheese loving peace Kermit".
But don't call my daughter who had a hard time
this year with ADHD a "retard".
Use ya grey blob lads.
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 23:58, Reply)
I was mirroring the absolute quality of his point and the drama.
I have lots to be offended about personally, I choose not to, usually.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 27 Jun 2020, 0:59,
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"If a fat 45 year old retard calls a obese 43 year old retard a "retard"
Why does their weight affect this?
If a person calls another person a retard, it is not OK. It is hate speech. It is illegal in the UK.
I think by "so boys" you meant "soy boys", which is racist.
Cock wobbler is fine. I think you are a twat, not a nigger. There is a massive difference.
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 22:52, Reply)
Point well made.
Weight in this context is not of the disability
kind, but obviously the sort that is gained by
eating too many Cheetos while choosing to remain
in mums basement while not getting any exercise
nor fresh air.
On a forum, we should all refrain from calling
random people specific and targeted to be
hurtful names. Andnif someone slips up, they
should be called to order, then they must edit their post.
If they do not, warn/ban em'. If they come back,
report em'.
I think we agree on certain specific name
calling, but not on how to treat it. I deeply distrust censure, and advocate for the slow
process of education:
If you ban someone from using the word "retard" that name calling idiots remains unconvinced
that it is a bad thing. And if all communication
is cut with an auto-ban (sorry to our German friends) then there is no possible learning moment.
Educating that person out of that position is
hard work, but can only be done by the slow
process of teaching - or the law if it gets out
of hand.
I don´t want the word "retard" to be banned
because if a very educationally challenged
person should chose to call me that, it would
not be hate speech, be funny and even weirdly
a bit honorific.
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 23:18, Reply)
Sure, banning specific words does not help much; I might want to explain about retarding my carburettor, or the tasty faggots I had for breakfast.
Worse if I live in Scunthorpe.
I'm not asking for words to be banned.
I'm asking for zero tolerance for hate-speech.
(, Sat 27 Jun 2020, 0:37, Reply)
I agree with most of that (though your stance against censure seems at odds with banning people), but I side more with Sock on this issue of hate speech.
"Retard" can be an excellent verb but is always a shitty noun.
Transgressive art and humour must have a place somewhere and I expect a lot of the people using terms like retard, spaz, and other bigoted words and phrases, think it's edgy transgressive and ironic. I'd even go so far as to accept that sometimes it genuinely is.
It can be hard to tell the difference between real bigots and those behaving like bigots for the sake of their art/work/performance/whatever. I lean towards the idea that bigots reveal themselves in their acts of bigotry - their use or permissiveness of bigoted language for example.
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brb top shit, Sat 27 Jun 2020, 0:38,
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Being callaed a "Retard" really sucks for any disabled child, growing up.
It's akin to a child with questions about their sexality constandly hearing "gay" used as a pejoritive in internet chats...like game rooms... "that was SO gay LOL". Imagine the cumulative effect. Gay="bad".
Like being called "nigger" because your skin is a different colour, or "faggot" for kids with geender issues.
It's hate speech. "We"- b3ta - should have zero tolerace for it.
(, Sat 27 Jun 2020, 1:32, Reply)
damn right, only a fucking retard would call a retard a retard, it's obvious hate speech
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sat 27 Jun 2020, 10:07,
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Not the main point,
but insults have become far too American in recent years.
*Keep the anglo-american fag confusion and Brexit NOW*
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monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 22:57,
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You seem to like saying those words a lot
Are you yanking yourself off while you type them?
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 23:38,
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The specific thing I linked to had a post calling people "retards".
It no longer does.
b3ta.com/links/1542117#post1542130
I'm sorry, I did not screenshot it before it was removed.
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 22:29, Reply)
You've lost me.
But have you tried logging out and seeing if whatever it is you're banging on about reappears?
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 22:37, Reply)
Logging back in again is of course optional, if the site offends you that much.
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 22:39, Reply)
Motion denied
Remove these empty documents from the court records.
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 22:38, Reply)
Ah yes
That message is deeply insulting.
If I had any disability, I would not appreciate
my impairment being used to align me to the
Orange Buffon.
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 23:35, Reply)
Works for me.
Maybe your are a bit of an educationally challenged person?
Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
Joke aside, as I have stated above,
we should police ourselves.
Banning stuff and people instead of educating
is the American Way and in my opinion,
unproductive.
We should still make stupid comments but stay off the the obviously hurtful.
Howether, the easily offended brigade can go kiss donkey arse.
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 22:35, Reply)
"Banning stuff and people instead of educating"
So it's OK to post child porn if we explain it's educating people not to do it?
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 22:44, Reply)
We are talking of speech.
And "hate speech" should be banned.
For example, promoting the idea of euthanising a group of people, such as a subset of handicap,
is criminal. Simple. Open close case.
Calling someone "retard" in the wrong context is stupid, and that people should be told why, and they should change their wording. If they chose not to, then it moves to banning/legal shit.
But the word "retard" should not be banned because it also a technical term for setting spark plugs (and other things) and if a trisomic person should chose to call me that, I would be honoured.
You can broaden our disagreement to other
offensive material, but where do we stop?
Lets argue about something specific, because
if we do not, it is Turtles all the way down.
(, Fri 26 Jun 2020, 23:55, Reply)
What about 'Cunt'/’Fanny’/'Twat'?
We should probably stop using terms for female genitalia in a pejorative context, as it suggests the female reproductive system is abhorrent. But in that case, we should probably ban 'Cock'/'Dick'/'Nob', too. It wouldn't be right to suggest that the male reproductive system is somehow less worthy in that regard.
Perhaps we should just pre-emptively ban all nouns, just incase somebody weaponises the few innocuous examples we have left.
(, Sat 27 Jun 2020, 0:18, Reply)
WHERE WILL IT ALL END?
Hopefully with the people expressing toxic bigotry changing their behaviour to remain accepted in civil society.
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brb top shit, Sat 27 Jun 2020, 1:07,
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and some people believe their standards and values should be what's acceptable, and no other
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sat 27 Jun 2020, 7:33,
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