Surely
we can agree that there are toxic people out there, both men and women, and to fixate on just one section of that group perpetuates a divisive gender war that helps nobody?
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 28 Jul 2020, 10:59,
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I too, have boobies.
Though I was born, and continue to identify as male. Just doing my bit for equality.
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I too, have boobies
Some are not even on my body.
Also, when did this place turn into 'bitch about things' central?
Why can't we have more crab bloke and silly videos?
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Wed 29 Jul 2020, 1:16,
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I couldn't agree with that without establishing what you mean by toxicity and seeing if that's compatible my understanding of patriarchy.
To fixate on one aspect to the detriment of the whole is one thing. To pretend that toxic masculinity isn't a real phenomenon is another.
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brb homonecrobatrachophile, Tue 28 Jul 2020, 16:32,
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I bet you're one of those people with All Lives Matter on a t-shirt, aren't you?
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Nope
My t-shirt says "I'm sorry, your opinion means very little to me".
Meaning of course that if all you have is an opinion, that is almost worthless. If you have a position that can be formulated into a cogent argument, that can be respected far more. More importantly, that argument facilitates a legitimate conversation from which there could be some sort of resolution.
If it matters, I very much support BLM. But I also have views on a wide variety of topics that are based on the merits of those topics individually. I do not engage in groupthink, because that is the antithesis of thinking.
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Toxic masculinity
Is a subset of toxicity.
Subsets of things are great:
Maybe 'toxic masculinity' has certain features that it doesn't share with toxic waste, or masculinity in general, and when discussing those particular features, the distinction is useful in helping people understand you.
It doesn't mean that 'only the masculine is toxic'.
Nor does it mean that 'all that is masculine is toxic'.
The term "Flying fish" doesn't mean all fish can fly, and it doesn't imply that helicopters don't fly.
But it's quite useful if you want to talk about flying fish.
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It also
does not mean that just because some bloke is an asshole they are a good example of toxic masculinity.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Wed 29 Jul 2020, 1:05,
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Absolutely
And I suspect what is and isn't a good example varies depending on who you ask.
I also reckon that even just considering what might or might not be a good example is valuable if it helps people to empathise and think about their own interactions.
I like to think that could outweigh the down side of seeming divisive.
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The point I was trying to make is
That I don't think it qualifies as 'Toxic Masculinity' just because it was a bloke targeting his ex girlfriend. Would it still be Toxic Masculinity if it was a bloke targeting his ex-boyfriend? Would it be Toxic Femininity if it was a woman targeting her ex-boyfriend?
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