BBC on Gaza
Parody of the BBC news coverage of Gaza, as shown on popular Israeli TV show Eretz Nehederet
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 18:24, Reply)
The fake Hamas video is awesome
They're just like that; there's one which is "Hamas 'enayim sheli" - Hamas the apple of my eye, roughly. Got the line "chunks of dead jews in black bags"; then there's also a piss-take version by a pop-group, which has them (the group) dancing around in combat trousers holding gold coloured pistols and next to a gold coloured car.
Also, the defence minister is fucking hilarious.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 18:32, Reply)
Now why does that leave a bad taste.....
Sigh...
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The magic of chutney Shakes it like an Instagram filter!, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 18:38,
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Shitist accent i ever heard!
He sounds like a south African with downsyndrom.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 18:45, Reply)
I know, he wasn't trying too hard, but it still gets the message across
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 18:45, Reply)
What message is that
Our huge US-sponsored war machine is killing thousands of innocent people, but the BBC is saying there might be a problem with that, WAAAAA, WAAAWAAAAAA
America can, for now, get away with being bullies because they're big and powerful. When small countries do it they get called on it.
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chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:54,
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though the BBC
aren't producing a parody of someone's suffering.
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masakatsu best of all the burger meats, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:00,
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you just missed the whole point. it makes fun of the BBC's extremist coverage, not the suffering of the palestinians
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:07, Reply)
I dont have an agenda
Hamas suck balls.. rockets into Isreal suck balls.. a third of casualties, over 300 of them being innocent children who were all ready given the worst possible start in life?
Its fucked up, thats all im saying.
And saying that doesn't mean i support Hamas or hate Isreal.
To be fair the IRA were up to far worse in the troubles, there were bad things perpetrated by the British government, but not like this?
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Jorvic, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:18,
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This
Supporting the rights of Palestinians not to be exploded doesn't mean supporting Hamas.
I'm on the side of civilians in this conflict (of which many more happen to have been Palestinian), Not Israel or Palestine. The 'leaders' of both need to fuck off.
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Fishcat Difficult difficult lemon difficult., Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:57,
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I didn't miss the point
it was just eclipsed by the comic parody of the Palestinian woman. After seeing the sketch, that was the overwhelming thing I was left with.
Surely you aren't claiming that it's sensitive to depict a parody of someone suffering, while the conditions that cause the real version of that character still exist. And the BBC have guidelines which would frown upon commissioning such a piece, if the UK was involved in a similar conflict.
So the original statement still stands.
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masakatsu best of all the burger meats, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:40,
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I think
The BBC is doing the best coverage it can, considering that Israel won't let any journalists into Gaza. I wonder why that might be...
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:56, Reply)
extremist = disagreeing with you
I must remember that.
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chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:15,
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Extremist coverage? The BBC?
What precisely have you been smoking, and more importantly, can I have some please?
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Kerrisis There's someone in my head, but it's not me., Thu 15 Jan 2009, 0:13,
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what i don't get is
isreal is quite a small country compared to the surrounding muslim countries i would have thought that if any of them decided to step in and help the palestinians re-claim the lebanon it would make things interesting. is it because isreal has nukes or because they know america will attack them ? answers on a postcard..
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connor, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:09,
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Could be because most of the neighbouring countries
don't give a toss about the Palestinians... Jordan has thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps for the past 20 years... they could easily have resettled them. Same for Syria...
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:13, Reply)
well i imagine they would prefer to have their country back than 're-settle'
i'm just wondering that if say any of the big guys say - iraq and indonesia or whatever formed a tag-team the whole thing would be over forever. hopefully they could save the non-shit jews like woody allen.
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connor, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:20,
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So who exactly are the shit ones?
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lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:41,
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well. any of the ones that support the Israeli government
see pedantichrist's link down the page. i mean. i suppose being a jew is a bit like being a rangers supporter. something you have to be born into rather than something you would ever choose. what with them illegally occupying another country and believing in a god that doesn't exist. and they have hook noses and hidden gold.
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connor, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:56,
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You seem to be assuming that all Jews support the Israeli government.
Did George Bush represent all of the Christian world when he invaded Iraq under false pretences? Or was every Christian in your eyes a 'shit one' who supported his war on terrorism?
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lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:20,
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most people are shit people.
you can look out of any window in the world and see mostly bastards. also i said 'the ones that support' as i know that there are some that do not. i suspect however that the majority of americans did not favour the actions of george bush but the majority of Israelis within Israel are in favour of recent actions. anyways goodnight.
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connor, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:39,
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*cough*
see my link below...Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq tried to tag-team Israel in 1967. Israel whooped their arses in six days. They also took territory, including the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Ironic that those lands that are the cause of so much trouble these days were not originally owned by Israel until the dumbass Muslim neighbours tried to invade...
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:52, Reply)
yes i did see the link. thanks
but regardless of what happened 40 years ago Israel could not defend itself from any real attack without the millions in foreign money and aid being such a small country.
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connor, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:04,
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Really good to see.
The level of bias on the bbc over this is farcical and I've been saddened by how anti-semitic some traditionally libertarian internet communities have become.
I'm personally pro-israeli but either way I think it is important to draw distinctions between the Israeli state and the Jewish race.
Anti-semitism is as ugly as any other form of racism.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:54, Reply)
Religion has nothing to do with an overblown military response.
Since when was blindly massacring civilians part of Judaism? Also Arabs are semites, so you're an anti-semite if you support Israel over this conflict. Sorry.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 19:58, Reply)
hmmmm
perhaps around the same time blindly massacring civilians became a part of Islam? Oh sorry, I forgot, Islam is a religion of peace isn't it?
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:01, Reply)
You got me.
I forgot that all Arabs are actually Muslim, and that all Muslims are hate-filled preachers of death.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:03, Reply)
Well said Andrew
There is so much hate being perpetuated by the media unnecessarily. There is a massive difference between the Israeli government and the Jewish people. Most Jewish people I know dont want this war they just want peace for both sides. However you only have to look at some of the ill informed opinions of people posting on here to see the damage unbalanced media is doing.
Hatred, lack of understanding and ignorance have gone a long way to causing this situation and continuing in that vain isnt going to solve it.
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lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:16,
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Could you point out the people who are being anti-semitic please?
Maybe provide some links?
Only I haven't seen any yet.
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chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:20,
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try http://www.jihadwatch.org/
alot of links on there to youtube videos showing anti-semitic people at protests. Lots of Muslims doing Nazi salutes and spouting the usual 'kill all Jews' slogans...
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:27, Reply)
I haven't read a single news article
that is referring to 'Jews' rather than 'Israeli forces' or 'Israeli people'. Most people who oppose Israel's actions do so because they are disgusted by the violent nature of their response. That is not to say I feel no sympathy towards Israeli people who are under a legitimate threat of attack, but every single piece of evidence, every eyewitness account or other anecdote clearly shows that Israel has, as ever, abandoned any hope of a diplomatic resolution. What they consider an appropriate level of force has not only killed hundreds of innocent people but the attitude of most Israeli officials seems to suggest that they view this as a happy byproduct of removing a legitimate threat.
I honestly don't understand how any rational, sympathetic and compassionate person can view Israel's actions as justified. It simply baffles me. Furthermore, I would add that automatically equating an anti-Israel stance with anti-semitism is mind-baffling and seems to betray some sort of basic misunderstanding on the account of the accuser.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:27, Reply)
hmmmm
i think the Palestinian paramilitary groups kinda made diplomacy impossible...did you know during the recent 'ceasefire' before the whole Gaza thing kicked off, rockets were still being fired into Israel?
Funny how the media didn't report on that.
Edit: Found the figure: 'During the six-month truce between Israel and Gaza which ended in December, some 361 rockets and 303 mortar shells were launched at Israel. This marks an average of a rocket and a mortar shell a day over the course of the cease-fire period.'
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:31, Reply)
Ok
I just said that I appreciate that Israel is facing a legitimate threat. However, I still don't think that their response is justified. Were they carrying out a precise military strike that captured their assailants without the wanton destruction of anyone who happens to be standing near buildings Israel thinks have anything to do with Hamas, then my opinion would be entirely different.
I honestly think that the mainstream media such as the BBC have simply reported an accurate account of facts. The fact that Israel supporters such as yourself are so uncomfortable with what they have been reporting suggests that you ought to review your own opinions.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:36, Reply)
both sides are to blame really
yes I do support Israel, but that doesn't mean I have no compassion for the Palestinians aswell. I just don't understand why there is such a public outcry over the Gaza situation. I remember years back when busloads of Israelis were getting blown up and shot every day, but there were no protests then...
Just seems like the media is a bit one-sided sometimes.
Oh and the 'precise strike' thing is difficult, as groups like Hamas tend to hide amongst civilians, like the Vietcong did, guerilla fighter tactics and all that.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:40, Reply)
Yeah, but
They report the facts as provided to them. For example when they talk about women and children being injured they gloss over the fact that Hamas actively recruit under 18s and women as fighters.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 21:53, Reply)
The rockets were not launched by Hamas
As admitted by an Israeli spokesman. But Israel did break the ceasefire by sending soldiers into Gaza to grab a Hamas leader.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 21:56, Reply)
I love how you brand anyone who disagrees with you Anti-Semitic
I do draw a distinction between the Israeli state and the Jewish race, as do the overwhelming majority of the other people who think that Israel is entirely wrong in what it is doing.
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chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 20:17,
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He said Israel and Jews
are different, so I have no idea where you got this idea from.
It seems to be yet another piece of propaganda in the "stuff Jews say (but don't really)" section designed to discredit anyone who dares commit the heinous crime of arguing in support of the only nation in the middle east that doesn't fuck over its average citizen and/or enforce ridiculous laws (like, say, not being improperly dressed in public (that is, in Saudi Arabia, not wearing the full garb), or being non-muslim in KSA or even being a Jew in Syria (personal favourite).)
Stuff Jews say (but don't really):
1. Israel has the right to do this because of the holocaust.
2. Anyone who disagrees with me is anti-semitic.
I'll add more to the list as they come along.
(Disclaimer: Dunno if he is Jewish, but the "Stuff Jews say (but don't really)" catagory remains nonetheless)
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 21:31, Reply)
Israel has every right to conduct the best defense of all and go on the attack
every war it has fought has been brought on by the provocation by Arabs doing stuff like attacking it; or about to do so
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Jahled Three shades of black, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 21:53,
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Byzantine was a Christian country
and was taken by force.
Sorry, what?
Before now-Israel was British it was Ottoman. The Arabs made almost no use of the land, it was either swamp or desert; Tel Aviv was built out of a desert, kibbutzim did all the hard work, farms and villages were constructed where previously it was thought impossible. Israel isn't made up of villages taken from Arabs, Israel is made up of hard graft, then war happened, then Israel expanded.
In 1947 the UN gave a scenario, Israel said yes, the Arabs said 'all or nothing' - they got nothing. The other Arab states took the Paletinian Arab land, Israel may have occupied Palestine for 40 years, but Egypt and Jordan did it, in far worse methods, for 20 years prior to that. Each time Israel has expanded has been after an attack from an enemy. Then Israel withdraws from Gaza, leaving greenhouses, community centres and synagogues (due to reluctance to tear them down) - the Arabs tear down the synagogues, fair enough, they're a structure that signify the enemy, but they also tore down the greenhouses and the community centres - then fired rockets into Israel as thanks. They did themselves no favours.
If anyone really does give a flying fuck about the Palestinians it's about time they stopped playing into the hands of the Arab elite and instead criticised the real bastards in this situation, the House of Saud, the Hashemite Kings, the Assad Family. They're dynasties that rule the middle east, and subject their common populace to hideous living standards, oh, and regularly fuck the Palestinian Arabs over.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 22:04, Reply)
Well, that's the retard way of viewing history
given loads of jews were living there long before the Second World War; and who would have forgiven loads of them for wanting to get out of Europe after what they went through in the thirties and forties
I genuinely suspect a great deal of injustices were committed by those new settlers on the Arabs living there, such as evicting them from homes etc; but the historical context was somewhat inevitable given six million of them had just been exterminated in Europe; I doubt some of them gave a fuck for the rest of humanity after what humanity put them through, and just wanted a heaven where it could never happen again
The rest, as they say is a load of bollocks
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Jahled Three shades of black, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 22:15,
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fuck off
the sooner Israel no longer exists the better. Zionist bastards
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Flash_Bastard, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 22:17,
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Yeah!
Let's replace Israel, the only true democracy in the middle east with equal rights for all sexes and sexualities, freedom of worship and all that yummy stuff as well as decent medical care and the invention of medicines and medical tools for other countries with yet another Saudi Arabia/Iran!
You're being sarcastic, right? Please tell me, 'cos if not then why not go and help get rid of Israel, I've got some friends in the IDF who I'm sure would be more than thrilled to meet you in that situation.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 22:27, Reply)
^yep
those Arab countries are swell places to live if you are a woman, or a religious minority, or into alternative political ideas
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Jahled Three shades of black, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 22:31,
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It would be really nice
if people could show a bit of decorum on here. B3ta is wholly the wrong forum for posturing on such a delicate subject.
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masakatsu best of all the burger meats, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 22:44,
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I started off rationally responding
to threads that I thought had an edge on it that was a little bit innacurate, that is to say risks swaying the opinion of the public at large with false information.
Then... posts came back like the one above, and I soon learnt that calm reason doesn't work, you have to shout stuff like "ISRAELIS EAT BABIES!"
I don't think b3ta is the right place, either, but when people start playing the champagne socialist, and treating the lives of my friends and comrades as some sort of political soap opera on which they get to draw conclusions based off 5 minutes of news broadcast and an appeal from Christian Aid in the newspaper then I can't just let it pass by, shouting out to the hundreds, if not thousands, of people that will see it, some of whom may even be taken in by it.
Nobody gives a shit about Sri Lanka, no one gives a shit about even Darfur, where are all the mass rallies calling for the end of Mugabe? Yet Israel so much as sneezes and suddenly all hell breaks loose.
My simple answer to what Israel is doing at the moment is that when someone punches you you don't punch them back, you either ignore them or lay into them - bite, scratch, tear, rip, kick, anything - to make sure they don't get back up and do it again. I want peace, but proportionality and temporary cease fire only means that either this drags on or we have a repeat performance and thousands dead again in a couple months time. When someone attacks you you get them down and make sure they can't get back up. Israel ignored them; it didn't work.
Hamas is a despicable organisation, all hamas are dogs and so should be treated like dogs; they misbehaved, they should be punished. If the whole world just stopped listening to the dog, and treated Israel/Palestine like they do the Tamils in Sri Lanka, or even with the relative neglect they afford the zimbabwe crisis, then it'd stop whining and stop bothering us all.
Sorry for the disturbance.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 22:52, Reply)
I feel I should reply to you
[edit: Fuck it, I'll pop it into a Gaz, I really don't want to be involved in a public airing of this debate] :)
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masakatsu best of all the burger meats, Thu 15 Jan 2009, 0:12,
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Israel is NOT a democracy.... no matter how many times you say it is
read this (written by a Jew BTW)
www.greenleft.org.au/2002/494/28193
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Flash_Bastard, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 22:56,
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Israel has no codified constitution
neither does Britain, or methinks New Zealand, you don't need one to be a democracy.
Israel doesn't allow people who would now be immigrants to return to towns that their ancestors onced lived in; well, that's immigration control, not restriction on democracy.
Israel restricts those who risk it not being a Jewish state - not true at all, there are parties such as the Communist Party who oppose the concept of a "Jewish State", and in this context Israel being the Jewish State is like France being the French State; so defending that concept would make some sense.
Israeli Arabs have the vote in a PR system and are represented as such, nowhere does he back up his claims or cite sources. He just says "Israel isn't a democracy because it isn't" then lists reasons like the one above about Right of Return which seems to be "Israel isn't a democracy because it doesn't let non-residents vote".
Also, before we go into "Apartheid state" and no democracy in the West Bank, the WB is not part of Israel under Israeli law. The Arabs in East Jerusalem (which is part of Israel under Israeli law) have all the same rights as anyone else.
Israel is a democracy, sorry to ruin your comfortable illusion.
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 23:09, Reply)
Could I, as an Athiest, run for head of state on a 'secularisation ticket?
You do not understand the concept of a Democratic state
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Flash_Bastard, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 23:14,
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You could run for head of state
would you win? Probably not. But you could still try.
Now go try it in Saudi...*
*What I'm saying with this is that Israel may not be perfect, but it's better than the next best competitor. Disproportionate treatment of Palestinians? What about Black September, eh?
(, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 23:20, Reply)
No I couldn't.... you know very little, and what you do know is bullshit
And why mention Saudi? They are not the ones who bulldozed into Palestinian land.... dislodging people who had lived there for generations.... claiming God gave them the right to the land and they are not the ones bombing civilians in Gaza.
Anyway.... I'm bored now and leave you to your imaginings
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Flash_Bastard, Wed 14 Jan 2009, 23:36,
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imaginings? you could run for head of state in israel. the israeli minister of sport is an arab. you know fuck all about this and yet you talk as if you know everything
(, Fri 16 Jan 2009, 15:33, Reply)