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This is a link post I was wrong all along
Pirates only steal from record companies, not artists. Pirate bay and music leeches vindicated in one fell swoop. Well done guys.
 (I helped save b3ta! simbosan is too tired, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 15:22, Reply)
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The music industry is like a cornered and dying dog. It's fucked, and is doing its best to lash out at anyone in order to survive.
 (I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 15:26, Reply)
This is a normal post I think
in many ways, it is entirely their own doing. Good artists can make very good money from live shows, appearences and merchandise etc. But some of the industry in recent years invested heavily in people with average talent, but the right 'look'. They let the software deal with the music.
Groups like the Sugar Atomic Spice Babes Aloud who can hardly string a sentence together made amazing record sales but not so much on anything else, because they were at best, average pub singers.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 15:42, Reply)
This is a normal post I would generally agree
But I would replace the word software with 'professional songwriter/ producer teams'. None of these artists are anything more than average karaoke singers brought in when the grownups have finished manufacturing a 'hit'
 (I helped save b3ta! simbosan is too tired, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 15:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Jedward
would be top of that list
 (I helped save b3ta! The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 15:59, Reply)
This is a normal post "Good artists can make very good money from live shows, appearences and merchandise etc"
This gets banded about a lot, personally I find it hard to believe.
I've been to gigs of good bands where the crowd can't be more than a few hundred and we've each paid a fiver.

Instruments are not cheap, travels not cheap, studio time is certainly not cheap.

If an artist wants to go down the free release path then that's fine but why take from one who thinks he should be paid for his work?
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 16:05, Reply)
This is a normal post What he said
Not all forms of music are profitable live. For example music requiring large numbers of players. Non dance music.

It may be true for solo dj's and small popular combos but not all
 (I helped save b3ta! simbosan is too tired, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 16:08, Reply)
This is a normal post The Royal Philharmonic do ok
And the Proms sell out every year. I do take the point though.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 16:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Well the RP charge rather a large ticket fee and get loads in donations from wealthy patrons.
They're also a business with the individual members not getting royalties but a salary. About 30 to 40 grand IIRC from muso mates talking about it.

Now that's a good wage but that's for an artist at the top of their game.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 17:37, Reply)
This is a normal post Very few classical players are professional
All but the very top have day jobs making them semi pro at best. Countless orchestras have gone to the wall. Shame that such highly trained folks have such little appreciation.
 (I helped save b3ta! simbosan is too tired, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 18:10, Reply)
This is a normal post I suppose it depends
just how 'good' they are. Elton John did a concert at Watford FC and gave some of the profits to the club; I believe over £200,000. (Might be tabloid hype).
I did the rounds as a singer for over 20 years and my total profits amount to about 25 pence.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 16:48, Reply)
This is a normal post Not just how good, but how established.
If you're just starting out, the chance that you'll make anything approaching a living from live appearances and merch is vanishingly small. And if people risk bankrupting themselves as a means to get established, how many will stick around - or even get started?
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 17:28, Reply)
This is a normal post Not everones Elton John

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 17:28, Reply)
This is a normal post That could have been a line
from Reasons to Be Cheerful, Part 3.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 17:35, Reply)
This is a normal post A man of many wise words
Also, What a waste, this its what we find
 (I helped save b3ta! simbosan is too tired, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 18:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Judging by your AK47
picture, you picked the wrong profession
 (I helped save b3ta! The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 17:31, Reply)
This is a normal post It was just pin money
to make ends meet. I had a proper job too. I've only recently discovered trying art, and again because I enjoy it, not because it pays.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 20:09, Reply)
This is a normal post my mate has a band
last time i watched there was about 60 peeps....it was a quid a ticket. they are a metalcore band, which is a kinda narrow niche, but they are good musicians. they have day jobs and do it for the love of the music, i admire them greatly for it even though its not my cup of tea.
 (discodaz *generic witty comment*, Mon 30 Jul 2012, 0:32, Reply)
This is a normal post It's terrible that people steal music & deprive the artists from money.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 15:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah, but some of those artists are terrible cunts, to be fair.

(I helped save b3ta! Zuowan, Sun 29 Jul 2012, 15:59, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm actually glad that things like the iTunes store and Amazon MP3 have taken off.
As far as I see it the best way to counter music piracy is to make buying music more accessible than stealing it. People want convenience more than anything these days, and that means download.

Makes me think of this
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Sun 29 Jul 2012, 20:27, Reply)