Egotistical? Secretive? Dodgy Sexual Allegations?
Politics is the career for you.
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I feel sad that people have so readily swallowed the establishment fuelled backlash against assange
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 12:39,
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or made it about him and their perceived opinion about his personal character, instead of the idea that a real democracy is best when people know what the fuck governments are actually doing
which is the point of wikileaks
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 12:43,
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He shouldn't have had stupid hair if he didn't want that to happen.
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Pig Bodine., Wed 12 Dec 2012, 14:11,
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I'm not sure I've "swallowed" anything
but hiding in an embassy 'cos you don't want to go through the legal process isn't a great look
(, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 12:44, Reply)
You probably wouldn't be alive if you'd never swallowed anything:)
It depends on your viewpoint on the allegations against assange I think.
Clearly the public can't know for certain if he's guilty or not But whatever your stance you have to acknowledge that its highly coincidental that very soon after pissing off the governments of some of the most powerful countries on earth, he is accused of crimes that not only damage his reputation but also carry a long jail sentence. *IF* using that logic, you look at the charges as politically motivated, then he actually doing an important thing in highlighting his cause and refusing to co-operate.
In those circumstances, its unsurprising that he doesn't want to go through the legal process.
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 12:50,
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that's a long string of assumptions from a co-incidence
and co-incidences are just that aren't they? a co-incidence.
All smacks of 'my high falutin' principles are so terribly important that mere laws don't apply to me' with a healthy dose of really over estimating his importance.
But that's just me.
(, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 12:55, Reply)
Not that long a string of assumptions
More of a statement that there is an alternative viewpoint to the narrative that fits in very well with the agenda of the establishment.
And if you take that alternative viewpoint then his actions don't seem that unreasonable.
My original point was that its depressing that so many people have just accepted the idea that he is dodgy and a rapist without questioning how this stuation may have been made to come about.
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 13:24,
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there is a process to getting to the bottom of whether he's a rapist.
He appears determined to not take it.
And you find it depressing that people think he's 'dodgy'?
My only point - because I find all of these conspiracy theories terribly dull, was that hiding from the law looks really terrible whoever is doing it.
(, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 13:30, Reply)
3 different credible sources have confirmed there is a grand jury indictment against Assange, but you don't let that influence your blind hatred of him
www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/us-targets-wikileaks-like-no-other-organisation-20111202-1obeo.html
ccrjustice.org/newsroom/press-releases/ccr-condemns-reported-sealed-indictment-against-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange
www.salon.com/2011/06/09/wikileaks_27/
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 14:05,
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I'ld be more surprised if there wasn't
The leaking military secrets are normally taken seriously.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 14:32,
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well, this is another argument, but unrelated to the one I was rebutting
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 14:56,
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blind hatred?
try mild interest.
fucksake. Where do you get blind hatred from? Questioning something you believe very strongly in? Grow up.
Let me be clear as crystal.
Hiding from the law is a rubbish PR move. The end.
Jesus!
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Like Bradley Manning's "Legal Process"?
9 month in solitary naked facing towards a bright light getting woken every hour on the hour. And he has yet to be convicted of anything.
Yes, I can't see any reason why Assange wouldn't want to avoid this. Is he a coward?
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 12:51,
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Assange isn't under arrest, hasn't being under arrest, wasn't and isn't in custody, doesn't fall under military jurisdiction
So not really similar. Manning has my pity, wikileaks barely mention him as it's become a personality cult which thrives not on truth but fears... perfect material for a politician.
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ah well, first people like you talk nothing about his cause and only about his character
then accuse it of being a personality cult.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 13:56,
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But he's wanted in Sweden.
And Sweden is much less likely to extradite to the US than is the UK - or Ecuador, for that matter.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 13:49,
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That's just the kind of comments his cultists are making.
There's been some serious reportage about the man, WL and JA has devolved into an endless conspiracy theory not helped by the secrecy involved in being so open about others, which works well because Assange already blamed the Jews for his demise.
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But why have your 'truth' filtered through one person's opinion?
Also, if he is the great white hope for freedom, then he is a bit of a muppet to set up his organisation so that removing him kills it.
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Tell that to Steve Jobs.
Assange has repeatedly said that he's just the front man, and his job is purely to take the flak and distract annoyed people/governments. Wikileaks will quietly carry on doing what it always does whatever happens to Assange.
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Kerrisis There's someone in my head, but it's not me., Wed 12 Dec 2012, 13:50,
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it has nothing to do with it's servers being blocked, and the major credit card companies refusing to allow donations to it then?
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 12 Dec 2012, 13:58,
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