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This is a link post NHS co-funding and co-payment (private members) bill
Loony MP chancing his arm or a kite flying exercise to gauge reaction?
 (I helped save b3ta! TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 11:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post wottacunt

(benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 11:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post For all but the richest of us, the price of your cash-spunking utopian wankfest
is a nightmarish and early death in a seventh-circle-of-hell ward full of screaming shit-covered dementia cases.

Not to mention the untold trillions we'd save by having a sensible healthcare system like every other country in the fucking world.

You crack on though, it'll definitely start working some day...
 (I helped save b3ta! After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Thu 14 Jun 2018, 18:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post most other countries spend more on health per capita
and the NHS rates pretty highly against them.

Pretty glad getting ill won't backrupt me tbh.
 (horrid, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 20:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post We could both wave statistics.
Yours are fanciful socialist ones.

The NHS is the biggest employer in Europe. It's the fifth biggest in the world, after the People's Liberation Army.

Maybe they skimp in other areas.

Like 21st century fucking healthcare.
 (I helped save b3ta! After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Thu 14 Jun 2018, 20:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post perhaps you'd like to explain what's wrong with employing a lot of people

(benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 21:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post The PLA employs slightly more people.
But lagging behind the NHS in terms of global staff numbers are Chinese Petroleum and Indian Railways.

Shall I tell you what the populations of those countries are compared to the UK? Can you see why it might be a bit flabby?
 (I helped save b3ta! After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Thu 14 Jun 2018, 21:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post no not really
I care about what the service is like (despite your hysteria it's ok to good by most measures) and how much it costs (slightly more than the OECD average but nothing to write home about)

I couldnt give a shiny shit about how many people they employ.
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 21:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nothing could convince you.
Nothing. You'll be pissing your last in a roomful of derelicts, twenty years before your time, and you'll be celebrating it. Unless of course, like all the most vocal defenders of the NHS, you're on private.

Do you know who dies in the horror of a dementia ward in the rest of the world? People with fucking dementia.
 (I helped save b3ta! After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Thu 14 Jun 2018, 21:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post 'Dementia ward' - do you mean a residential care home?
As with all social care these are generally provided or commissioned by local authorities rather than the NHS. You know fuck all about it do you?

I mean you probably will die a pretty awful death but only because you've been an awful cunt to the nurses and they'll 'forget' to top your morphine up
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 22:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Jesus
Roll up and witness the raging Sadean nightmare just beneath the surface of the caring socialist's psychology... You want to look to your own mental health. I'd say it's currently at the point when loved ones are starting to wonder.

A quarter of all beds are blocked by people with dementia. They don't know who they are. They don't know where they are. They scream and struggle 24/7. Thanks to the NHS, we're all going to die in something out of fucking Dante. All except you, of course, Sebastian.
 (I helped save b3ta! After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Fri 15 Jun 2018, 5:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post I do not recognise this
Either as an experience of dementia treatment, or of NHS treatment in general. Both of which I have all too recent experience with.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Fri 15 Jun 2018, 8:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post this is the problem isnt it?
Opinions formed from positions of ignorance. A couple of hysterical headlines enough to turn the weak-minded against themselves and their own interests
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Fri 15 Jun 2018, 9:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post A couple of hysterical headlines...
Every headline of every article about the NHS for the last thirty fucking years is about how shit it is.

You know why? No, not the Jews. But because it really is fucking shit. Monumentally, irredeemably shit.

Jesus Christ, you only need to open your eyes.
 (I helped save b3ta! After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Fri 15 Jun 2018, 17:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post As someone who is currently in daily contact with the NHS
I do not recognise your characterisation.

At all.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Fri 15 Jun 2018, 18:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post You have daily contact with a single cell
in a dying organism. I'm glad it's positive, but your experience doesn't advance any argument very far.
 (I helped save b3ta! After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Sat 16 Jun 2018, 6:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post your literary references make you sound like a tit
Also, preferred plutonian which is what you had up earlier
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Fri 15 Jun 2018, 9:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post
But your wishes for my painful death make you sound A-OK. Yesiree. No looming crisis there.

You don't like my reference to Dante because you haven't read it. De Sade you've got covered. You probably vaguely thought Sebastian was a reference because you're twitchy over your breadth of knowledge. Relax, it's just a posh name.
 (I helped save b3ta! After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Fri 15 Jun 2018, 17:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post out of interest, whose country would you model britain's healthcare on?

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 15 Jun 2018, 15:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post “Damn it, man, I'm a doctor, not a politician!”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MULMbqQ9LJ8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHsmOj7RPgw
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 21:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Oim a bit tick - what will co-funding / co-payment entail?
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 12:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post
It would mean making a contributory payment whenever a service is used. £20 for a doctors visit, £40 towards a consultation, £200 to go to A&E, the first £1000 of any inpatient treatment etc
 (I helped save b3ta! TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 12:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post Sounds a bit like the French model.

(I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 14:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post Like this one?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEImD_r6D8o (NSFW!!!)
 (I helped save b3ta! TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 15:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post This is more French than that and does not feature ponies.
youtube.com/watch?v=qgU-KOpE1jM
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 18:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post also no ponies but one maid
Doesn't sound French
NSFW
 (Mehitabel_Itrang, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 20:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post Both airing the idea and loony MP.
What's the use of ill poor people anyway if you can't make money from them.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Thu 14 Jun 2018, 12:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post Means-tested, surely?
While making no comment on the rights and wrongs of co-funding / co-payment, which is fairer - an extra 1 or 2p on national insurance that would have to be paid by every poor fucker on £20,000 p/a, or for people earning, say, £35,000 having to part with £20 to see their GP?

Honest question; I've got no idea how to solve the eternal NHS crisis.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 13:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post you've picked a very regressive tax there surprisingly
Why not have those on high earnings pay a bit more income tax? Or put corporation tax up?
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 13:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post Because once you put income tax up above a certain level, rich people simply avoid it or leave the country.
That's the estimate of HMRC themselves, not the government.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 13:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post Approximately 45% IIRC

(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Thu 14 Jun 2018, 14:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post I dont really buy that
The super-rich pay very little tax wherever they live and for most of the others, where you live in the world isnt just contingent on the tax burden.
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 14:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post Take it up with
Her Majesty's Revenue Cunts then.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 14:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post It could be means tested and work ok.
It could also be used as a lead-in to normalise paying for healthcare; Within a very short time, lots of insurers would offer policies to cover charges.
More and more additional costs would arise, to be covered by said policies. Slowly creeping toward a US model.
A little like dentistry has changed.

I don't have an easy answer either, although I am aware that large corporations like to expand into new markets.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Thu 14 Jun 2018, 14:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post All it says
is that if a patient or the patient's representative offers to co-fund treatment, that will be permissible.

It's not obviously all that big a deal. No modification is made to the duty to provide healthcare.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 13:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post why would the patient offer to co-fund treatment unless that gave them better or faster treatment?

(benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 13:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's a reasonable point, at least in terms of speed.
Since the Bill talks about NHS-commissioned care, I'm assuming that it's stuff that the NHS would provide after NICE approval; that counts against the worry about some people getting better care, since it'd be available by default. However, the speed thing might be a consideration - I wonder if it might be used to get NHS patients into private-sector beds should those patients be willing to contribute towards the extra cost.

Whether that's just or not would be a further question, of course.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 14:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post It’s a double-edged sword
As soon as people start paying for things they will expect to be able to get an appointment within a reasonable time.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 15:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post don't get me started on dentistry
why are teeth excluded from universal helathcare. Here, I'll do it on the NHS but I'll only use one arm, or if you pay for private I'll do it with a toy glasses and moustache disguise on so you don't feel completely conned
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 15:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post My NHS dentist is Bupa.
He's actually quite brill, despite the fact he appears to be around 7 or 8 years old.
 (Huw Edwards #notalljews, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 17:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post Emergency dental treatment is free isn’t it?

(I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 18:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post he's a hardcore brexit tit so I'm expecting the worst
One look at his wiki reveals the sort of world he'd like us all to inhabit
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 16:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post having looked at what else he's been up to
Brexit is the least of his lunacy
 (horrid, Thu 14 Jun 2018, 20:24, , Reply)