We were so close to having The Sun sponsored prison ships
Ken Clarke chats about political ties with the Murdoch empire
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 9:59,
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Well I now know somebody is a FT subscriber!
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 10:03,
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I'm not and I didn't get a paywall notification
ah, now I do, maybe you get one free look
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 10:10,
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It seems like
you can view it once if you go via Google News, then it gets locked down.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 10:22,
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FT Paywall :(
I worked with Ken Clarke a bit back in the 90s building the British American Tobacco and Tory Party websites, I have lots of time for him. He'd be a heck of a lot better as party leader than any of the shower of shite that's currently hanging around stinking up the cabinet.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 10:05,
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Yeah, Ken Clarke is every pinko's "one Tory it's OK to like".
Because he's a cunt.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 10:42,
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With his role at B.A.T and defence of them in parliament he's got blood on his hands.
Baffles me why some seem to like him.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 10:54,
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No-one has to smoke. It's a 100% personal choice. Just like drinking etc. If you can't handle that then 1) you're a massive pussy 2) You've got personal control issues
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 10:55,
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Yeah it's free will, those addicted to a harmful product are just pussies.
Cept your firms target fucking children because they have to get them started young.
At the time you were working for them BAT was caught actively giving out "samples" of cigs to kids at African youth events.
But if you don't give a fuck about the African kids have some UK figures.
www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/risk/childhood-smoking
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 11:12,
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Anyone that blames addiction for their own behaviour is a pussy, yes.
You always have a choice. Sure handing out fags to kids is stupid behaviour, which is why they've rightly stopped. That having been said, I remember getting people to buy me booze and fags when I was 13 because kids will be kids.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 11:22,
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Moron thinks addiction has no impact on behaviour.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 12:03,
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You have to submit to addiction. After that, you've made your choice.
Using the concept of "addiction" to justify anyone's actions is bullshit though.
If you like a bit of the smack (or whatever the fave of the kids is these days) and you go mug someone to get the cash for that? That's you making the direct moral choice that your enjoyment is more important than someone else.
Addiction has become a catchall excuse for any bad behviour when it's up to everyone to be personally responsible.
Is Harvey Weinstein a poor misunderstood sex addict, or a rapist sex pest who's trying to excuse his morally repugnant behaviour?
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 12:20,
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Tell me, if a child gets addicted to smack who's fault is it?
Is it the child or the scumbag that targeted them and got them hooked?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 12:33,
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Opiate abuse is a socio-economic issue. Look at the reasons for people abusing not the people doing it. There's a reason that opiate abuse is pretty much constrained to one class in the UK and that's nothing to do with people pushing or otherwise, its because of a lack of education, lack of social mobility and lack of opportunity (all of which you Brexitwunts have made worse). The dealer in nearly all cases was a user first.
Comparing Opiate abuse to having a ciggie isn't quite as stupid as cerebus' false equivalence, but it's getting there.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 12:40,
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What a lot of bollocks you spout.
Smack is the cat's pyjamas and is no respecter of class or socio-economic status.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 14:02,
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The relationship between deprivation and drug abuse has been proven time and time again, call bollocks all you want.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 14:13,
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And the fact that there are lots of drug addicts who don't suffer from adverse socioeconomic circumstances is also well documented you stupid boring cunt.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 17:39,
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Are you two really arguing the difference between
statistics (Div) and the fact that statistics are irrelevant to the individual (Pruf)?
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The main thrust of my argument is:
Dinny is a cunt.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 19:29,
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ladies and gentlemen of the jury
I say that there is a cunt in this room. And I shall not shirk my duty to blind justice to name that man.
Mr Prufock - Do you see the cunt in this court room?
And are you sure - beyond a reasonable doubt - that is to say what the man on the Clapham omnibus would understand -that he is *the* cunt?
Then please point him out to the jury, and describe to these good ladies and gentlemen *why* he is a cunt.
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The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 19:48,
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suspect it's because he's the only one left who was around before Keith Joseph fucked everything up
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You helped Ken promote B.A.T? Fucking hell.
I can honestly say I couldn't live with myself if I had done that.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 10:52,
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Aaaw you poor sensitive snowflake. I've also worked for Imperial Tobacco and a number of oil companies if that helps?
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 10:54,
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Unless you were crap at your job promoting the sale of fags people have died or will die because of your actions.
That I couldn't do.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 10:58,
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You voted for Brexit. That's already harming public funding and therefore the NHS. People will die because of your actions. That you have done. You seem 100% fine with that.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 11:06,
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Tell you what, when the results of brexit cause 6 million deaths a year you can lecture me.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 11:16,
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Aaaw, did you find it difficult to quit? Poor you.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 11:26,
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If you carry on like this
I might start liking you.
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Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 11:28,
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Yes it was, took me 3 times to do so after starting at 14.
Took a friend of mine to get smoking related cancer and nearly dying for her to stop.
You're a cunt for promoting the things and if you truly believe they are no longer targeting the young then you are a thick cunt.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 11:32,
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Spare me the pathetic sanctimony of the ex-smoker
When you were 14 did you think that ciggies were good for you? As usual YOU did something stupid and you're looking for someone else to blame.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 11:43,
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You think 14 year olds that get addicted to a substance you promoted have only themselves to blame?
How about 13 or 12 year olds?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 11:49,
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Yep. if you do something stupid at any age, it's your fault. All ex-smokers are the same "wah wah wah bad evil tobacco giants made me do it"
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 11:55,
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So a 12 year old is a pussy for getting addicted?
Despite cig companies spending billions targeting the youth?
A child is supposed to be savvy enough to fight against all that?
Don't know how much of today's discussion is just you trying to be edgy but wow, you are truly a low human being.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 12:11,
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12 year olds know the difference between right and wrong and they've been told all their lives that smoking is bad. If you don't know that by 12 then you're a fucking moron.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 12:14,
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Child gets talked into being fucked despite being told all they're life to beware of strangers etc.
Are they a) a victim of rape or b) "a fucking moron"?
Feel free not to answer, just curious to see how low you can go.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 12:27,
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You think child rape is the same as smoking a ciggie!? You are fucking mental... and like all evangelist ex-smokers you can't accept that smoking was your choice.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 12:31,
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You're the cunt saying children are smart enough to make life choices despite "age of consent" being there because they're not...
AOC used to be 16 when I was a kid. Funny that drinking was 18 but smoking 16 for some reason. Why was that? You might know being pally mates with Ken.
Know what that means to have those 2 years difference?
It means you've got kids in schools that have legally bought fags and handing them out to younger kids for their lunch money. It meant that since I was 13/14 I could pass for 16 and buy cigs.
Took untill 10 years ago for it to be made 18 despite the lobbying of the cunts you've worked for.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 12:41,
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Oooh weren't you one of the cool kids with your smoking at school? Still it's definitely someone else fault. You knew it was wrong and you did it anyway.
You absolute wuss.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 12:45,
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Can you two just get a fucking room please?
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 14:35,
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wait a minute, I'm still setting up the cctv for pay per view
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 14:42,
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He'd only want out after 5 minutes, complaining that it was better living in his soho doorway back in the 70s, with a three day week, smog, no funny foreign food like "fruit" and blue passports.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 14:42,
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I agree that sleeping rough in 70's soho would be better than being in a confined space with you for 6 minutes.
How many fags did you flog to 3rd world kiddies today btw?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 15:19,
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You're pretty obsessed by ciggies aren't you? I thought you'd given up?
What other things can't you cope with like a responsible adult and claim are other peoples fault?
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 15:24,
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seems an awful lot
What would the death toll have to get to before you started feeling you'd made a mistake? 6 million is a holocaust, presumably the doubts would start creeping in a bit earlier than that?
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They probably think the Holocaust was fake news.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 11:45,
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Oh look it's the...
And now a word from our sponsors.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 12:21,
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Dude, you can't even handle a ciggie without going mental.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 12:34,
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What is everyone's problem with dead humans that they didn't know?
I smoke. It'll most likely kill me sooner than I'd have died without. I fail to see why anyone else should care about this. I certainly don't
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TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 14:59,
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Spot on
However some ex-smokers believe they have the evangelistic right to tell everyone else what to do, because quitting was difficult for them so they become preachy little bitches.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 15:27,
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I'm not telling people to stop.
I'm calling you out as an absolute cunt for promoting the industry in the first place. Also you shown today some really fucking dubious ideas about age of consent.
Anyway, i'm done here. Can't show you up for being more of cunt then you already have.
Hope karma doesn't bite you in the ass!
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 15:34,
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You are such a mental
You're the one who brought up kid sex and the age of consent - Are you obsessed by that too?
I've said nothing about that except to point out you're fucking bonkers if you think that coercing a child into sex is the same as having a cigarette.
Also I don't smoke, it's a filthy stinky expensive habit with no real pluses - But it's up to people to choose what their indulgences are, not you.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 15:50,
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Wrong, as always.
I haven't had a fag since the beginning of September. Smoking is THE FUCKING BEST. All the the benefits of not smoking are nothing compared to the joy of smoking. Fuck off.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 21:07,
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Oh Prufrock = Cerebus. Got it. Why do you need two accounts to do the work of one fuckwit?
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 23:41,
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Nice
Reminds me of when I had a job helping Idi Amin crush kids skulls.
Happy days lol.
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the RAND corporation a.k.a. Kevin Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 17:02,
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what's the betting she takes over at News Corp when the old man dies
Can see her out-manoeuvring the idiot sons at the last minute.
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There's a buzzfeed version here..
Here
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@man move along, nothing to see here on, Fri 24 Nov 2017, 10:29,
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I must say I feel a bit left out of this discussion,
but I have no point to make at all, so I'll just briefly mention my irrelevance and then move on.
I'd like to have a pop at benni over the weekend, though, if anything else political pops up.
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