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This is a link post Western gays are in denial over Islam
Good points made here about the self-identification with other "minorities" (a la Owen Jones, perhaps?).

Written by the saintly Douglas Murray. I'll put this out there: it would not take much for me to turn for him.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 10:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post or "People try to see the good in stuff and keep the actions of a minority in proportion"
not saying horrendous persecutions and murders aren't committed in the name of Islam, but over a billion Muslims don't throw people off buildings every day because of who they've slept with.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post To quote the same guy:
"Gays for Palestine? Give me a break. If Gays for Palestine were in Palestine they'd have to move to Israel."
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Not sure that "Gays for Palestine" represent the views of all "Western Gays"

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post
well this is it, if it was a problem with the religion then you'd expect a distribution evenly across the globe, over time. Its not, its localised and recent.

"yeah but its a particular sect of islam". Oh do fuck off.
 (I helped save b3ta! colmcq2, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 13:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post In the US, I hear people say that christians are no different, so we should not judge.
I think statistics speak otherwise and I can't remember the last time heads were cut off by christians who were unafilliated with the Mexican cartels.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 14:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post Isn't that just because
hate crimes by Christians wouldn't be classed as religiously motivated?

The KKK would describe themselves as a Christan organisation and American Evangelicals spout plenty of homophobia and send their money off to Uganda to fund anti-gay propoganda. They must have plenty of blood on their hands too.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 21:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post I believe that the majority of the muslim terrorist attacks in the past 40 years have been "in the name of"
Compare that to Sirhan Sirhan, who killed Robert Kennedy - that assassination wasn't considered a religiously motivated one.

As I recall, the KKK was founded to stop Irish immigrants, then Catholics, then moved to blacks as a last resort. As for evangelicals, there are so many different sects, but none have it as part of their creed to kill the non believer. Maybe you don't see the same problem I do, but the statistics are pretty grim.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 23:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post Owen Jones is a fucking buffoon.
www.channel4.com/info/press/news/c4-survey-and-documentary-reveals-what-british-muslims-really-think

52% of British muslims think it should be illegal to be gay.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post it's not far off that % for other religions
www.brin.ac.uk/figures/attitudes-towards-gay-rights/
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post So let's condemn all religions equally.
The Pope who wants to stop them marrying, and the 52% of British Muslims who think teh gay should be outlawed.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Definitely, or at least tell them to stop being so nosey
Why are they so obsessed with what two consenting adults get up to behind closed doors?
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post Being nosey about what consenting adults get up to is what the porn industry is based on, surely?

(I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post Have you been letting weird people in to your house again?

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post Keeps me off the streets.

(I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post Not quite. Those figures are for whether it is morally wrong. The C4 documentary was specifically about it being legal.
Overall for the British public the attitude is only 5% of Brits believe being gay should be illegal. Compared to 52% of British muslims. That's quite a disparity in attitudes.

Which is why it is baffling why people like Owen Jones are so keen to jump to the defense of people who want to criminalise them because of who they love.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post fair dos

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post there is a bigger problem in the wider "liberal communities"
one of the "tenets" of liberalism is to respect others beliefs and to not get shitty with people whose beliefs contrast yours...

so freedom of religion tends to get a "pass" from liberal people...

however, most religions are fiercely "ANTI-liberal" so it's an odd situation, it's a bit like throwing a party for people and man eating lions, and arguing that "the lions should be allowed in... even if they want to destroy me and everything about me"

now that's fucking retarded, liberals should be AGAINST religion as it's fiercely anti-liberal.

There has been a complete liberal pandering to islam, when the fact is, it's a religion, those are retarded and outdated, and leads to shit like this...

I consider myself a liberal, support peoples right to fuck who they want, and do mostly what they want... but religion is the exception... it's anti-me, so i'm anti- it.
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think people are entitled to believe whatever they want if it helps get them through life
just as long as it's not inflicted on anyone else against their will (which includes preaching ridiculous beliefs).

That's a pretty fair deal right? Or is that forcing my beliefs on other people :D
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post it depends if any of those beliefs
come with rigid organisational structures, and ambition for majority control of people and the planet... because that's where a belief and a religious belief tend to part company.
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post I can't organise control of the house from the cats, I think the human race is safe

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good luck selling Douglas Murray to this crowd.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 13:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm inching them towards Irving Kristol
Then I shall become the neo-con God of B3ta. Think of the possibilities. I've already got 10,000 brown shirts in cold storage.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 13:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'll gaz you my chest and collar measurements.
Plus I'll start posting Mark Steyn articles.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 14 Jun 2016, 14:37, , Reply)