Keep it in your trousers.

I would like to start by saying that I haven't considered all the outcomes, and there are probably many downsides that I haven't considered. As an open minded person I would welcome any arguments for or against this.

But it is my opinion that breeding should be licensed, and people should not be allowed to reproduce without proving that they are financially and emotionally capable of raising a child properly.

Consider the oxfam adverts showing thousands of starving children in under developed countries. I think the parents knew what fate their progeny would be subject to long before conception.

I don't think it should be specific to 3rd world countries either. How many people in the UK are firing out babies just so they can abuse the benefit system?

Does this make me racist toward the human race? Is that genocide? I don't know.

I reserve the right to change my opinion in light of new facts I haven't considered being brought forward by your lovely selves
(Frample Tromwibbler climbs an obstacle like old people fuck, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 15:59, 40 replies)

It's a fairly sensible opinion
It's just impossible to enforce, because you know, that's what people do
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:01, closed)

HITLER!
GAYS!

Erm, erm ... HITLER!

No - it's pretty sensible. The only issue is making sure that qualifying is based on cold financial rationality and social responsibility, and not race or whatever.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:04, closed)

If only we could have stopped your mum from breeding.
(Roger McGough-Pipe, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:04, closed)

sounds like eugenics
nice one, adolf
( The Doveston haunted by the memory of his own amnesia, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:07, closed)

www.b3ta.com/questions/controversialbeliefs/post1944521
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:10, closed)

so, what you're saying is that the poor should not reproduce?

( The Doveston haunted by the memory of his own amnesia, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:20, closed)

Pretty well, yes.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:22, closed)

why, because those who are poor are irresponsible?

( The Doveston haunted by the memory of his own amnesia, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:24, closed)

Having children when you can't afford to raise them is pretty much the definition of irresponsible

( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:25, closed)

just rely on the welfare state, innit?

( The Doveston haunted by the memory of his own amnesia, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:31, closed)

And anyone whose income drops beneath the level initially required to reproduce should have their children forcibly removed and euthanased.
( Happy Phantom has been to Hastings, Brighton, and Eastbourne too, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:46, closed)

this sounds sensible

( The Doveston haunted by the memory of his own amnesia, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 17:46, closed)

I suspect that a 'poor' person could probably do a damn fine job of raising a child
But 5? Maybe not. Is it fair for the children to be born into a family that cannot support it? I don't believe it is.
(Frample Tromwibbler climbs an obstacle like old people fuck, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:27, closed)

regardless of wealth, having your attention divided between 5 children is going to make parenting difficult

( The Doveston haunted by the memory of his own amnesia, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:42, closed)

Not if you can afford a childminder or a boarding school to do it for you

( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:45, closed)

i don't think that is parenting

( The Doveston haunted by the memory of his own amnesia, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 17:23, closed)

It's how the upper classes have done it for centuries

( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 26 Apr 2013, 0:53, closed)

Everyone practices eugenics to a lesser or greater degree
Otherwise we'd breed like rabbits with everyone that took our fancy.
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:12, closed)

It's difficult to 'not allow' people to
reproduce.

One day, you'll find out what I mean.
(username failed moderation, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:07, closed)

Yeah, it's a great idea,
until you step back and examine it properly.

For one thing, you'd put Jeremy Kyle out of business.
( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:11, closed)

You make it sound like that's a bad thing!

(Frample Tromwibbler climbs an obstacle like old people fuck, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:35, closed)

i think the catholic church could certainly step up to this plate
they have the power to reduce part of this problem.

i don think people breed for benefits per se... northerners just dont give thought to the consequences of thier actions.

the more 'council' like families i see dragging thier kids round lidl dont look that happy.
(magictorch, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:37, closed)

Are you advocating child molestation?
You saying if a priest gets 'em young it'll put 'em off sex for life?
(Roger McGough-Pipe, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:52, closed)

People living in extreme poverty need to have many children
...because a good proportion of them will surely die, but the parents need to ensure that enough of them survive to look after them when they get old, because there's no welfare safety net.

And that's not even considering the fact that in most cultures, contraception is frowned upon, a religious taboo, or just plain illegal.

The more I think about the human race, the more in favour of nuclear power I become...
(moon monkey is busy making memories worth repressing, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:36, closed)

Welcome in.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:40, closed)

I understand what you're saying, but...
... what's the use of having many children - supposedly to look after you in your old age - if the children are malnourished and uneducated anyway? The root problem in these parts of the world is overpopulation: i.e, there are too many people and not enough resources to go round. If they didn't have so many children then there would be more resources per person - and infant mortality would decrease.

Better to have 2 happy, healthy, educated children than 10 malnourished waifs - 5 of whom die before their first birthday, and the rest of whom have to work in the fields from childhood because their parents can't afford to send them to school.

You're right about religion though: it has a lot to answer for.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 23:57, closed)

I don't know how people can bring themselves to bring children into the shit they do.
Surely it's the height of cruelty and self-centredness to bring a child into poverty and starvation?
(Me, I'm not... in any way intoxicated, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:49, closed)

i think the biological urge to reproduce
doesnt leave much room for thinking about consequences
(magictorch, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 16:53, closed)

So rape is fine?
It's funny, but I've managed to put a condom on my cock and even abstain from sex at times. Perhaps I'm superhuman?
(Me, I'm not... in any way intoxicated, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 17:09, closed)

Maybe you're
just really ugly.
(username failed moderation, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 17:11, closed)

I am.
But I'm not sure how that helped me turn down sex or put on a condom? Or, for that matter given what I was replying to, how it stopped me raping someone.
(Me, I'm not... in any way intoxicated, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 17:15, closed)

Does this make me racist toward the human race? Is that genocide? I don't know.
The fact that you don't know suggests to me that your parents should have been forced to dig their own graves then shot in the back of the head.
(woocfot friends with Sacha Distel, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 17:05, closed)

Ha ha this whole thread is just overprivileged wank spew lol what benders
(TheManHimself Beer Drinkin', Breath Stinkin', Sniffing Glue, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 17:06, closed)

Are you Mick Philpott?

(Frample Tromwibbler climbs an obstacle like old people fuck, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 17:32, closed)

oh dear
(TheManHimself Beer Drinkin', Breath Stinkin', Sniffing Glue, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 17:46, closed)

I'm in this thread,
but I have to agree with this.
( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 17:33, closed)

Have you ever seen the requirements listed by animal rescue centres for adopting a dog?
Stable home, pet insurance, contract to vaccinate and neuter, good finances, a garden with high fences and some concept of hygiene.
( Yo 'Ho of Charlie mass-market saucetrepreneur, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 20:27, closed)

Even adopting a cat
They come and inspect your home and make sure you have the resources to care for it properly
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Fri 26 Apr 2013, 1:11, closed)

I agree
You should only bring a child into the world if you're prepared to take RESPONSIBILITY for its care and upbringing. Having a child when you know you can't afford to feed, clothe or educate it is just cruel.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Thu 25 Apr 2013, 21:52, closed)