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Chthonic asks: What's the naughtiest thing a boss has ever asked you to do? And did you do it? Or perhaps you are the boss and would like to confess.

(, Thu 7 Jul 2011, 13:36)
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Not me....
but, as some of you know, I used to run a reasonably successful consumer redress website.
One of the programs on the site was one where you put in your name, and it creates a gif of a signature.
You use that signature instead of your real one when dealing with banks/insurance companies etc...
The percentage of letters/agreements for loans etc... that came back with the gif in place of people's real signature when people asked for copies was astonishing. More than 50% for the worst offenders.
Somewhere, someone has knowingly been committing fraud for the most trivial reasons, in an industrial scale.
(, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 12:42, 15 replies)
sorry, I don't follow
But I am intrigued. You mean punters were applying for loans with a disgust fake signature?
(, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 13:23, closed)
My fake signature certainly disgusts me.

(, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 13:58, closed)
Me too
Mainly because I sign my name as "I LikeToRapeGoats"
(, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 15:19, closed)
Rape? I've never met a goat that wasn't willing. Perhaps I've just got that sort of face.

(, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 16:23, closed)
^^This^^ also
As I read it, your site allowed people to generate a signature as a GIF to use on applications for loans, etc., but then when they got copies back, it was somehow fraud?

RIS?
(, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 17:21, closed)
Sorry...
was rushing to get out the door.

People would complain to the site that they had loan insurance, credit card increases etc... that they hadn't asked for. They sent a Subject Access Request for all information that that firm had on them...signing the letter with the fake signature.
When some of the 'applications' were returned, 'proving' that they had indeed signed up for insurances etc... quite often the 'originals' would have the fake signatures on them, despite the fact that the applications had supposedly been made some years before.

Sorry for too many 'quotes'.
(, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 17:50, closed)
That's a criminal offence isn't it?

(, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 17:53, closed)
What, using too many quotes?

(, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 17:56, closed)
Not
criminal, but certainly cringeworthy.

Yes, I believe it's fraud. Someone has been making their minions commit fraud to save face and a few quid.
(, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 18:19, closed)
Not just the fraud, there's some specific offence about faking documents like that, "false instruments" I believe
And the courts are supposed to take a particularly dim view if the professions are doing it, many years in prison.
(, Mon 11 Jul 2011, 18:38, closed)
You set up a consumer redress website
and put up a tool that allowed people to commit fraud?

1) isn't this aiding and abetting?
2) were you helping the fraudsters so that there would always be consumers in need of redress?
(, Tue 12 Jul 2011, 11:01, closed)
I think you misunderstood
he was working for the customers, not the companies
(, Tue 12 Jul 2011, 11:04, closed)

The fake signature tool allowed you to avoid exactly what it proved. That companies would take your "fake" signature and add it to the documents you had requested that you had never actually signed.
Therefore proving that you'd not signed it in the first place!
(, Tue 12 Jul 2011, 21:14, closed)
Yes
but what about the red dresses?
(, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 21:47, closed)
we need more red dresses

(, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 23:18, closed)

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