Anyone watching the school thing on BBC 1?
Looks like it should be interesting.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 22:40, 2 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

Me.
I'd bet it upsets a lot of older people and parents.
(888777555, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 22:43, Reply)

You massive nonce.

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 22:45, Reply)

http://www.b3ta.com/questions/offtopic/post1280365

(888777555, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 22:57, Reply)

Precisely.
Massive noncing, right here on the internet.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:00, Reply)

People never believe me when I tell them what teachers have to put up with
This should be interesting.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 22:46, Reply)

Not from me
My Mum was a teacher.

She loved her job until the early 90's then lost the faith entirely.

Having said that, I do believe that a lot of the new breed teachers get degrees in Sports Science or Sociology, then discover that their employment prospects are either a call centre or a PGSE.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:05, Reply)

I did a PGCE
I'm a good teacher in smaller groups, and I relate well to my pupils. I just don't have the gravitas for classroom management.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:08, Reply)

possibly - but it's hard
and a lot of people like that drop out pretty quickly
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:08, Reply)

I did, but I still miss it.
I just started in the wrong environment.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:13, Reply)

yeah, that's not because you did it as a last resort
your place sounds scary
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:15, Reply)

I shouldn't have gone there.
I was flattered that they headhunted me. It didn't occur to me to wonder why they had no other applicants for the job.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:17, Reply)

Replying to you both here
I couldn't do it - I can and have managed adults in employment but I couldn't manage kids.

Maybe the problem is that so many of the teachers getting into the system are in there because our FE system offers so many worthless degrees and a PGCE is seen as the only route to employment?
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:16, Reply)

Speaking as a language graduate
it is one of the main things you are told that you can do with your degree.

However, I didn't do it straight out of university, and it was something I thought a lot about.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:19, Reply)

(I think you mean HE, I do FE)
To a certain extent, but 'worthless' is a loaded term - many people have jobs they want to get into and do those degrees and find it very hard to make money from what they want to do. HE places need to offer more vocational advice (I believe many of them are - my degree had very little on building portfolios and applying for projects, but I think that's included now)

Education isn't just for employment, though.
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:19, Reply)

Again, replying to you both
But pulling back a little because you're both rather older than the current influx of teachers I have in mind.

Surely the vocational aim of anyone entering FE (sorry Cavy) should be reasonably defined?

Maybe I'm a bit Ivory Tower here - I always wanted to work with stats, took a degree in Economics and worked in insurance.

I think what I'm driving at is if you're a graduate in Psychology, and you discover that there's 1500 other Psychology graduates chasing 6 jobs and you take the PGCE route...

How motivated are you?
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:32, Reply)

I've been out of teaching for a long time
but every time I go back into a classroom or see things like this on TV, I realise it might not be what I do any more, but it;s what I *am*.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:37, Reply)

this^^
When I started teaching it just 'clicked'. Only other time I had this was when I first picked up and used an SLR
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:40, Reply)

I only did my PGCE 2 years ago
Loads of kids have no idea what they want to do at FE level, but have an idea of what they like. Often they do subjects they never had the chance to do in school.

FE also has loads of kids who did badly at school, but are actually quite bright at certain things - we get loads of them in our department. Often they need some help with direction.

At 16 it's hard to know enough of the way the world works to know how to get jobs (I still thought you applied for a job as 'Photographer' hahah)

I originally didn't want to teach, but I ran some workshops when I was running a business and fucking LOVED it. Later a did a little cover in a college for a guy who was off (with stress) and applied for my PGCE at the start of the next college year.

It's HARD but it's often the most awesome thing in the world
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:38, Reply)

It definitely is.
My qualification is for 11-18, but I would love to teach primary. I could handle KS5, because anyone studying there generally wants to be there. And classes aren't 30+ students.

I must look into going back at some point.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:44, Reply)

post-compulsory is mine (16+)
although it's a myth they all want to be there. A surprising number (especially on EMA) are there because they don't know what else to do.

Mind you, I wouldn't do secondary or primary, that would kill me. Plus, it's the subject I really love
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:46, Reply)

our granddaughter wanted to take photography as her 4th AS.
We talked her into doing maths instead. I'm sure she appreciates it....
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:48, Reply)

never let her take photography as a 4th AS
everyone thinks it's a piece of piss, then we work them like dogs and they either quit or end up doing it as their main subject :) There's a lot of working your own time.
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:52, Reply)

I sincerely applaud both of you
As above - I've run production lines of 300 people, I've managed Lloyds brokerages.

There's no way I could teach kids.
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:45, Reply)

Thank you :D

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:47, Reply)

Most of them aren't total bastards.
I've actually come across more nice ones thatn shitehawks in the last few months. It's been quite surprising.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:50, Reply)

Allright TD?
I've got a massive "supply chain" issue, in view of the explosive Lincolnshire news today...
Whatever am I to do?
Wilco's and Netto are both saying they can't help til next week...
Any ideas?
( blaireau69 , the Cumbrian Travis Bickle., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:24, Reply)

izzat
"Inferno at suspected moonshine liquor factory leaves five dead"
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:33, Reply)

Darn tootin' dude.
I've been left in a right pickle ;(
Or not lol x
( blaireau69 , the Cumbrian Travis Bickle., Fri 15 Jul 2011, 1:23, Reply)

I know a song about that
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhMO9azmKNU
( The Disappointed Caravanner of the year, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:36, Reply)

Effing iPhone can't load that movie!
;(
( blaireau69 , the Cumbrian Travis Bickle., Fri 15 Jul 2011, 1:24, Reply)

watching it now
they all need culling for the human race to survive the next 10 years.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:27, Reply)

that little fat girl's parents are a fucking disgrace.
They think she's being funny. It's not funny, it's fucking disruptive.

I'm getting angry now. Grrrr.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:29, Reply)

They called her Maisy
That's a giant red flag that they don't know how to parent.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:32, Reply)

that teacher really reminds me of someone
but I can't think who...
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:35, Reply)

She's trying to be a bit more gooder
so there's that.

God help us all.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:36, Reply)

and her work has improving.
ALSO: I just got your email - thank you so much! You're a gent and a star. It's not at all true what they say about you...
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:37, Reply)

Just the things about my enormous cock
not what I do with it.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:45, Reply)

Well, I think you're lovely. and you get a massive snog from me for that.
I now have double the minimum amount. Hopefully I can screw people for more byu the end of the month.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 14 Jul 2011, 23:52, Reply)