Yes, because that's how human rights work, obviously.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:07, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

Thats what I kept saying.
They then started talking about "PC bullshit laws" and when I asked them to name one, they said they were too numerous.

I'm now trying desperately to explain to another thick friend that my wishing for the courts to deal with the criminals is not the same as me saying they shouldn't be punished.

I don't really know how else to get this across.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:14, Reply)

Punishing people for revenge and without due process
is the cornerstone of a civilised society.
( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:15, Reply)

Somehow have their human rights taken away then beat them to within an inch of their lives

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:17, Reply)

They've jsut told me that their mum is a solicitor and that we should leave this as we aren't getting anywhere.
I agreed that we weren't getting anywhere.

Ape, how do you deal with people that fucking stupid? I'm quite happy for people to have a different opinion if they can back it up, or even if they just irrationally feel that way.

But when they are trying to have a logical debate and then just ignore everything you say, what's the best way to make them die?
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:19, Reply)

their mum is a solicitor?
well fucking hell, they should be minister for justice then.

christ on a bike.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:20, Reply)

Yeah that's what I thought.
To be honest, I've always thought she was a fucking retard, but I thought at least she was logical.

But sadly she's friends with a bunch of other fucking retards. What's worse is that they actually think that they are "good citizens" by actively clamouring for people to have their rights removed.

I fucking despair for the future of the world.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:22, Reply)

I despair as well
which is why I'm trying to have the best time I can now, without concerning myself too much with everyone else.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:26, Reply)

They don't have to listen to you. Don't you understand the significance of their mum being a solicitor?

( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:21, Reply)

There is little hope really I'm afraid
When people begin to believe things they read or heard in contrast to the facts in front of them the world must surely have reached a new level of cretinism.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:23, Reply)

get new friends.
although I had a few clamouring for the army to be sent in.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:19, Reply)

When it was actually kicking off
I was hoping they would actually send in someone to control the crowds. But now it's all over, I think you should be able to take a step back and try and be a bit rational.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:21, Reply)

it's hard to see what can be done to stem that sort of thing if enough people are involved.
I find it hard to see how it be dealt with in the aftermath though. Some people will go to jail, some will get curews, ASBO type things etc. but what difference will that make? not a lot.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:22, Reply)

It's the clamour for revenge
and not accepting that there might be underlying reasons behind the rioting, even though that doesn't actually justify the riots occuring.

People seem incapable of seeing this.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:23, Reply)

I'm not convinced that there was much behind the rioting in the end
to being with perhaps, but there was a lot of "hang on, people are burning and smashing stuff and nicking stuff. I'm having a bit of that action!"
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:24, Reply)

Really?
You don't think having several generations grow up with no prospects for jobs or education and not trying to help them might make them a bit disposed towards not caring about other peoples feelings?

Don't get me wrong, they are still cunts, but even cunts can be helped to not be cunts, or at least have kids who aren't cunts.

It's a big problem, you're not going to fix it by cutting benefits or any other quick idea.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:27, Reply)

I do agree with what you are saying.
but what I think I am trying to get at is that while those conditions may be what has caused people to be that way, the recent stuff is not about them protesting against that situation.

does that make sense?

gotta go now.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:30, Reply)

Oh yeah, it wasn't a protest
but it was violence born of the general situation, if it hadn't been this trigger, it would likely have been something else with the same result.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:34, Reply)

This is more or less what I think
I don't tend to think that looking at the background should effect how the perpetrators are punished, but on the other hand if we don't want shit like this happening again, we need to look at underlying causes.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:37, Reply)

It never ceases to amaze me
How otherwise intelligent people cannot seem to grasp the idea of due process of law some times. Or simple ideas like finding people guilty first and then punishing them.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:22, Reply)

it never seems to amaze you?

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:23, Reply)

*whistles*
no idea what you mean old boy.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:24, Reply)