Dunce Help
I recently had to go to court regarding a debt. I won't go into all the details but I run a small company and I didn't owe the debt so the judge agreed with me, and the debt was set aside.

Can anyone in layman's terms tell me what it means to have a 'Judgement Set Aside' - as that what I requested, and that was what was granted. Google isn't being helpful.
(feedingtimeatthezoo day 1 of his bikini diet started, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:41, 216 replies, latest was 14 years ago)

If you put one finger out of place, a big burly man will be round to bugger you
I hope this helps
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:43, Reply)

I hear they send Richard Blackwood round to do it these days
Apparently he sniffs a keyboard first to get himself in the mood.
(LongJohnBaldry, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:07, Reply)

Out of interest, why did you request it, if you didn't know waht it was?
Also i'm assuming that you had a ltd company?
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:44, Reply)

It's on the record but it doesn't count
go to all the credit rating agencies that might have a record of it and tell them that the judgment is no longer valid.
(PsychoChomp, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:46, Reply)

Although the cunts that tried to recover the money are legally obliged to report the judgement.
It doesn't mean it is like it never happened, it does mean that it was a load of bollocks and won't be counted against you.

What Chompy said, send the judgement to Equifax and the other shitehawks.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:51, Reply)

It means you're gay
and no-one likes you.

Sorry to be the bearer etc.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:49, Reply)

Have you ever considered social work?

( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:50, Reply)

I'm not sure if people are ready for my 'tough love' approach.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:51, Reply)

"I am nasty to you because I love you"

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:52, Reply)

Or 'rape' as it's otherwsie known

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:52, Reply)

read that as tongue love and did a little sick in my
mouth pants
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:52, Reply)

Didn't you have legal advice?
Anyway Tesco - big cunty company but amazing tapas.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:52, Reply)

Small claims court?

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:52, Reply)

no idea about any of it dude but if I was going to any court I would seek advice from some sort of legal gimp

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:53, Reply)

How dare you?
It's not about the size of your 'claims court' anyway - it's what you do with it. That's what my mum said anyway.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:55, Reply)

Your Mum has a "European Court of Human Rights"
sized clunge.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:56, Reply)

I don't understand the content of this post

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:56, Reply)

That's your fucking problem sunshine not mine.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:57, Reply)

Court - Tesco - cunt - tapas.
Simples.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:58, Reply)

it means that the original judgment doesn't disappear
but it doesn't have any binding effect. you just need to send a copy of the original order and the order setting it aside to any interested parties.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:57, Reply)

Like credit rating agencies. Although the twat suing is obliged to do this.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:59, Reply)

I can tell you with some certainty
that I am not in any way an 'interested party'. Makes me long for the old 'pie thread' halcyon days of earlier.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:03, Reply)

I don't think we shall ever see the likes of those Pie days again.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:04, Reply)

If only...

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:05, Reply)

I've got a pint of Stella and some MD's.
What's going down in groove town?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:06, Reply)

Listening to 'Haddaway' whilst wanking into my office bin.
You know - 'Thursday'.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:07, Reply)

I thought that was a jester's hat?

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:08, Reply)

Nah I save that for train journeys.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:09, Reply)

Fancy a pint later?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:10, Reply)

Praps.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:11, Reply)

Can I come?

(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:12, Reply)

It's not a 'milk race'.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:13, Reply)

Last time Marc Almond had one of those
he ended up with a lot of negative space.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:22, Reply)

Hahaha

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:23, Reply)

I wonder what 'Haddaway' is up to these days.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:06, Reply)

Baby don't hurt me!!
Again.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:07, Reply)

*scans post*
I think Swipey's been dumped, guys
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:04, Reply)

NEEDS MOAR HOT SEX.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:05, Reply)

well
that got my attention.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:15, Reply)

Thought it might.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:22, Reply)

Shame.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:18, Reply)

I did have a LTD company....
but I dissolved it so the judgement was brought in my own name. I did get legal advice - but unfortunately he wanted £150 an hour to write some letters and fill out some forms that were quite simple. Google was pretty good in that respect, I knew I had to stay the writ and set aside the judgement, but I just didn't really understand what the final consequences were.

The company doing this is quite major, so it was rather fun having my first day in court with them! I nearly did a laugh. There were no wigs though - I was disappointed.
(feedingtimeatthezoo day 1 of his bikini diet started, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:12, Reply)

Al is bald lolz

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:14, Reply)

Harsh.
You skint cunt.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:18, Reply)

Did you see that there was talk of a B3ta team on 'Eggheads'?
You should sign up.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:22, Reply)

Oh yeah, well, did you hear there was talk of a b3ta team on "I've spent all my money like a gigantic bell end ABC who is also a Benny tied to a tree"
So you should sign up to that.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:24, Reply)

Although it would mean you have to spend time with Jeff, Barry and Bobby.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:25, Reply)

Haha

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:25, Reply)

The cockiness of youth, eh?

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:26, Reply)

Fuck that shit, fuck that shit.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:28, Reply)

have you got the details of that?
*pen poised*
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:26, Reply)

Those places are heavily rationed.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:25, Reply)

I don't know anything about it, but your question has been answered anyway, so it doesn't matter.
Instead, I will subvert this thread to ask my own question.

Are we all watching the coverage of parliament? How thrilled are we with our trusted politicians?

Crisp flavours: what's teh best one?
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:14, Reply)

No we aren't.
The best crisps are those root vegetable crisps. Beef Monster Munch get an honourable mention.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:17, Reply)

Cheese and Onion McCoys.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:19, Reply)

I've totally just had some of those
which is why I asked. I'm quite prepared to consider them as one of the front runners for best flavour ever.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:20, Reply)

The steak ones are better, I think. The chili con carne ones were nice.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:20, Reply)

Monty, we've already established beyond reasonable doubt that you don't think.


*awaits Mighty Badger*
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:21, Reply)

Cheese and onion isn't a flavour, it's just wrong.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:22, Reply)

I had Cheese & Onion discos today because all the S&V ones were done
Wish I hadn't bothered.
( Bill Clay a.k.a. Claudio, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:23, Reply)

discos are horrible
too oily. Squares is where it's at.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:24, Reply)

Squares are superb.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:26, Reply)

So's your face.
And your choice of vagina.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:23, Reply)

Lets not get into this again

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:26, Reply)

That's what he said
but she wasn't having any of it.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:30, Reply)

Well, the cheesey smell did bring tears to my eyes...

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:26, Reply)

I'm just glad she wasn't old
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:33, Reply)

boaks

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:37, Reply)

Is it wrong that that sandwich looks really tasty?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:37, Reply)

boaks again

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:38, Reply)

once again
Monty knows best about food
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:27, Reply)

Once again
Vipros is a sycophantic cunt.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:34, Reply)

telling someone they are right
when they are right isn't sycophantic.

stop being a dickhead
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:45, Reply)

good luck with that

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:47, Reply)

worth a try
even though Al is on his period
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:48, Reply)

The root vegetable crisps are for poncy cunts

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:40, Reply)

No
I'm listening to In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida and debugging an app on an htc mobile, the debugging will finish first.

Salt & Vinegar
( Bill Clay a.k.a. Claudio, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:21, Reply)

I haven't heard that song in years
I think I have it on a mix tape somewhere...

Salt & vinegar is just wrong, except on chips.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:23, Reply)

You are wrong.
Salt & Vinegar are some of the best. Prawn Cocktail are better though.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:27, Reply)

Oh nice choice.
The Iron Butterfly original (and if so, single or LP version?) - or Michael Viner's Incredible Bongo Band's version?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:25, Reply)

Say it again

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:26, Reply)

'It agani'
OK, now what?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:27, Reply)

I was going to say that!
I was going to add that I would have spelled it right though, but my advancing gonzism means I probably wouldn't have done...
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:28, Reply)

No dice, either of you

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:29, Reply)

well, you're no fun.

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:31, Reply)

You can say that again.
Haven't you done this before?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:27, Reply)

I have a version of it
by rock/Tuvan throat singing band Yat-Kha
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:28, Reply)

That thoat singing does my lid in.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:30, Reply)

That's called gagging
It means you're too far in.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:32, Reply)

Monty has never had that problem
He has no gag reflex.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:35, Reply)

I saw these guys at a festival
and when coupled with rock covers in the style of early Fleetwood Mac, black magic woman style
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:44, Reply)

17 minute version, etc, etc
Took me a minute to figure out where my reply went there.
( Bill Clay a.k.a. Claudio, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:30, Reply)

Do you find your neck beard catches on the zip of your Dr Who hoodie?

( Undulating Tentacles of Love getting fun down to acceptable levels, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:27, Reply)

Neck beards totallty disguise fat necks

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:28, Reply)

If two typists can type two pages in two minutes, how many typists will it take to type 18 pages in six minutes?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:30, Reply)

6

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:31, Reply)

Any more for anymore?

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:32, Reply)

^this

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:32, Reply)

Can you show your working please?

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:33, Reply)

one typist can do oner page in two minutes
so in six minutes, one typist can do three pages.
Therfore, if you want eighteen pages, you need six typists.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:35, Reply)

^this
honest
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:35, Reply)

Thank you.
The morons I work with cannot ken that one typist does one page in two minutes.

They are all saying 3. These people are supposed to be able to do maths!
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:38, Reply)

*belms*

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:39, Reply)

Are you using spastic google with your head dobber?
My google came up with a laymans explanation from directgov no less as the first entry.
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:47, Reply)

maybe he's desperate for attention
did you ever consider that?

no

you just don't think how what you say is going to hurt someone's feelings do you?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:49, Reply)

We're all here for lovely lovely attention, our poster here hasn't had the common decency to at least make something up worth posting about

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:54, Reply)

speak for yourself
I'm here to be smug, pretentious and sycophantic
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:59, Reply)

*high fives*

(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:59, Reply)

He was dissing the memory of wet ham man the other night.

I had to make up some BGB slash fiction.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:59, Reply)

what the actual fuck?
how dare he?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:00, Reply)

God i'm tried
I've just been looking at HD freeview boxes to buy...but I have a CRT television without HD capability
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:49, Reply)

^ hard knock life right here folks ^

( Lisette von Falcon, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:50, Reply)

Dude, you are NEVER going to have nice stuff again
at least for the next twenty years, anyway.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:50, Reply)

I've never had nice stuff really, clothes maybe, but nuffin else

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:55, Reply)

All you clothes are going to smell a bit like sick and poo.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:58, Reply)

NO CHANGE THERE!

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:05, Reply)

tvwanker
All the estate kids round your way have 40 inch 3D tvs now
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:56, Reply)

I NO RITE
and all I have is this stupid education and stupid well paid job, FMY
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:57, Reply)

I bet you also have a sense of righteous indignation
and think they should all have their benefits taken away from them.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:58, Reply)

it's the only way
they have to be driven to more crime to feed themselves and their families.

feed them fags and tvs
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:00, Reply)

this is more succinct

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:03, Reply)

typically though
I signed the petition anyway, before reading it or thinking about it.

I need to stop doing that.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:05, Reply)

berk

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:13, Reply)

I can't help it
I want to be a mindless knee-jerking reactionary, but my brain gets in the way. Usually before I can click the link in the confirmation email.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:15, Reply)

That would be the stupidest idea ever, with no measn of support and criminal record and no job prospects how will they fund their many many children?
i had to point tyhis out on fb, also many people in the country have commited far more henious crimes and have retained theirs.

It's a typical knee jerk reactionary response.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:02, Reply)

they should lower the tax on really shit fags
so they all smoke themselves to death
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:03, Reply)

They're all utterly awful proles
we should fire them into space
( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:04, Reply)

I've just had a long debate with someone
who kept banging on about how human rights weren't applicable to these people as they had decided to live outside society.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:06, Reply)

Yes, because that's how human rights work, obviously.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:07, Reply)

Thats what I kept saying.
They then started talking about "PC bullshit laws" and when I asked them to name one, they said they were too numerous.

I'm now trying desperately to explain to another thick friend that my wishing for the courts to deal with the criminals is not the same as me saying they shouldn't be punished.

I don't really know how else to get this across.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:14, Reply)

Punishing people for revenge and without due process
is the cornerstone of a civilised society.
( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:15, Reply)

Somehow have their human rights taken away then beat them to within an inch of their lives

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:17, Reply)

They've jsut told me that their mum is a solicitor and that we should leave this as we aren't getting anywhere.
I agreed that we weren't getting anywhere.

Ape, how do you deal with people that fucking stupid? I'm quite happy for people to have a different opinion if they can back it up, or even if they just irrationally feel that way.

But when they are trying to have a logical debate and then just ignore everything you say, what's the best way to make them die?
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:19, Reply)

their mum is a solicitor?
well fucking hell, they should be minister for justice then.

christ on a bike.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:20, Reply)

Yeah that's what I thought.
To be honest, I've always thought she was a fucking retard, but I thought at least she was logical.

But sadly she's friends with a bunch of other fucking retards. What's worse is that they actually think that they are "good citizens" by actively clamouring for people to have their rights removed.

I fucking despair for the future of the world.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:22, Reply)

I despair as well
which is why I'm trying to have the best time I can now, without concerning myself too much with everyone else.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:26, Reply)

They don't have to listen to you. Don't you understand the significance of their mum being a solicitor?

( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:21, Reply)

There is little hope really I'm afraid
When people begin to believe things they read or heard in contrast to the facts in front of them the world must surely have reached a new level of cretinism.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:23, Reply)

get new friends.
although I had a few clamouring for the army to be sent in.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:19, Reply)

When it was actually kicking off
I was hoping they would actually send in someone to control the crowds. But now it's all over, I think you should be able to take a step back and try and be a bit rational.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:21, Reply)

it's hard to see what can be done to stem that sort of thing if enough people are involved.
I find it hard to see how it be dealt with in the aftermath though. Some people will go to jail, some will get curews, ASBO type things etc. but what difference will that make? not a lot.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:22, Reply)

It's the clamour for revenge
and not accepting that there might be underlying reasons behind the rioting, even though that doesn't actually justify the riots occuring.

People seem incapable of seeing this.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:23, Reply)

I'm not convinced that there was much behind the rioting in the end
to being with perhaps, but there was a lot of "hang on, people are burning and smashing stuff and nicking stuff. I'm having a bit of that action!"
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:24, Reply)

Really?
You don't think having several generations grow up with no prospects for jobs or education and not trying to help them might make them a bit disposed towards not caring about other peoples feelings?

Don't get me wrong, they are still cunts, but even cunts can be helped to not be cunts, or at least have kids who aren't cunts.

It's a big problem, you're not going to fix it by cutting benefits or any other quick idea.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:27, Reply)

I do agree with what you are saying.
but what I think I am trying to get at is that while those conditions may be what has caused people to be that way, the recent stuff is not about them protesting against that situation.

does that make sense?

gotta go now.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:30, Reply)

Oh yeah, it wasn't a protest
but it was violence born of the general situation, if it hadn't been this trigger, it would likely have been something else with the same result.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:34, Reply)

This is more or less what I think
I don't tend to think that looking at the background should effect how the perpetrators are punished, but on the other hand if we don't want shit like this happening again, we need to look at underlying causes.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:37, Reply)

It never ceases to amaze me
How otherwise intelligent people cannot seem to grasp the idea of due process of law some times. Or simple ideas like finding people guilty first and then punishing them.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:22, Reply)

it never seems to amaze you?

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:23, Reply)

*whistles*
no idea what you mean old boy.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:24, Reply)

The whole affair has turned people into real cunts
The withdrawal of benefits proposal is ridiculous. I'd hope that the chance to speak to their victims might actually bring forth some better impulses but probably not.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:14, Reply)

It's turned a lot of smug middle class fuckwits
into even bigger smug middle class fuckwits.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:20, Reply)

who want to kill people.
let's face it, the looters are massive cunts, who are mostly thick as pig-shit.

The last thing we need is for everyone else to start acting the same.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:21, Reply)

Nothing much changed then
There's a weird split between people who are screaming for benefits to be withdrawn/ bring back National Service etc, and equally cunty people who blame it all on 'the system' and 'the man' and spew bullshit about how the rioters were protesting and it's all the fault of EMA cuts etc
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:22, Reply)

the last is clearly bollocks
cunts taking the opportunity to be cunts while they think they can get away with it.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:24, Reply)

There is a line somewhere in the middle
where you can agree that anyone who actually rioted should get punished, but you can see that allowing people to live in really shit bits of london with shit schools and no jobs and no prospects of getting a job isn't going to make people think rationally about whether or not they should go and nick stuff.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:25, Reply)

Stop making it look like I agree with you.
I have a reputation to consider.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:27, Reply)

We should send them all to Scotland, and they can live in shit areas andhave shit schools up there instead
maybe around badger's house, that'd cheer him up!
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:29, Reply)

I was under the impression that the smelly underclass were allowed to leave their festering sink estates by means of subsidised public transportation throughtout the Capital and indeed beyond

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:30, Reply)

they are also allowed to have some of the best schooling in the world and
one of the most supportive benefits systems in the world. ho hum.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:32, Reply)

See also the festering sinkhole estates being a thing of the past, the real shit having been torn down and the rest having been renovated to very high standards
The LA's will turn their noses up at private accommodation that they deem 'too small' for LA tenants. Especially in Camden, Islington and Westminster the estates are in very central locations that private tenants would struggle to afford the rent in. Not that the Council tenants have to fret over their heavily subsidised rents lol
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:38, Reply)

Do you actually write for the Daily Mail?
Or just read it.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:42, Reply)

LOL I'm on numerous 'sink' estates in London throughout the week man.
You need to open your eyes my friend.
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:44, Reply)

Are you a professional burglar?

(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:45, Reply)

If only
Some of the biggest televisions I've ever seen have been down on the Packham Estate
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:49, Reply)

Rory old Boy, you may well in this instance have a right to an opinion
Sadly the fact that you are, or spend your time on here pretending to be, a hate-filled mollusc of a man means that I shall instantly discount it.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:50, Reply)

Excellent, our resident Che Guevara is now the arbiter of when people can have an opinion or not. Irrespective of his own ignorance of the subject.
Why don’t you fuck off and sing the red flag to the New Cross Man Dem, tell em that you feel for their socio-political struggles against 'the man'.
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:58, Reply)

As far as I recall
Rory works or has worked in housing in London. Having an unpopular viewpoint doesn't mean it's wrong
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:45, Reply)

But having a brutally simplistic viewpoint
whilst ignoring the reality of the situation does mean it's wrong
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:46, Reply)

I didn't say he was wrong.
I said he sounded like the daily Mail, which I maintain is true, fee free to disagree.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:52, Reply)

Well clearly you're correct
and actually none of these problems which we thought had occurred have actually happened. Must have all been a misunderstanding.

We'd better just go and shoot all the people in tottenham in the head.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:34, Reply)

It's the people themselves who make these areas of London shit. The government provides them with state of the art new build schools, and teachers with Nationally approved qualifications, and yet it's still fucking shit.
There's nothing wrong with the infrastructure they're living in, and they get plenty of beer tokens to get them by, and yet they're still not happy. It's all take take take man.
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:43, Reply)

Yes Rory

(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:44, Reply)

Great, so we're all agreed then.
We need to get some sortof petition together to vent our collective fury.
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:46, Reply)

I'm way to zoned out to read everything here.
BUT, but, I really don't get the "get out of the shitty tower block by an means" thing. It's bullshit. We have a tube system. We have a bus system. Anyone can get anywhere in london, they'll even pay for it for it 'till you find your feet. I know, and this is not an exasoration, billionares who "Escaped the hood", and there are plenty of millionares who have too. You don't have to resort to crime, and who the hell do they think they are, The Crays? The Richardsons? _They_ used crime to escape the hood, _they_ are what these people aspire to be, and they'd be fucking ashamed that some little scrote from their 'state would randomly turn over buisnesses in that fassion (Ok, fine, protection rackets, they'd do it that way, which is why they're wrong, but I mean, they would be disgusted by it. Or they would have organised it a lot better).

You know what makes someone rise up against their humble beginings? Hunger. Pure and simple. And these kids don't have it. They're peckish at best.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 18:51, Reply)

I take a middle road
I think underlying societal conditions may have had a hand it it, but this is not an excuse and everyone caught and convicted should get the proper sentence for whatever it is they are convicted of.

But then I'm weird.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:27, Reply)

off with his head!

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:27, Reply)

Well clearly.
These are the ranting of a dangerous pinko lefty. I should probably be strung up.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:30, Reply)

by your left wing beard you mung bean eating hippy

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:30, Reply)

oddly I do have quite a left-wing beard, like an older Trotsky
But I do not think I've ever eaten a mung bean
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:33, Reply)

As a smug middle class fuckwit
my attitude has remained the same throughout, parents, schools, 'the system' has been too softand lenient for too long. This has bred two generations of people who have given up on how society would like them to live; ie suipporting themselves and their communities, thy have become entirely selfish and devoid of remorse for their consequences.

This last sentance all fits with the banking class; in fact selfishness really unpins how most people are wnakers, they mearly express it in different ways
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:28, Reply)

There was a woman on Womens Hour this morning
bemoaning the fact that the government won't let parents chastise their children. I couldn't believe they let her spout such utter shit wihtout just saying "No, you're wrong".

This is the trouble these days, too many fucking idiots who think the law extends much further than it actually does.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:32, Reply)

retards
and with that bombshell where me an Al agreed on some politilolz I'm off home for a Fursty ferret!

toodle pip
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:34, Reply)

I have to agree to an extent
no point just blaming schools and the government. Parents have a role to play in it as well. As far as I'm concerned, the MPs saying things like parents should confront children who they think have been rioting and have new stuff, and take them down to the police station is ridiculous. Their parents don't generally give a shit which is why their 12 year old is out at midnight and able to riot
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:35, Reply)

I say we fire them at the moon
and then bring back the Rookeries.
( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:39, Reply)

No, no
send them up the chimneys surely.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:45, Reply)

and yet they're living it up in High Definition AS WE SPEAK

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:00, Reply)

The indignant impotent rage inside me has built to a level where I demand corporal justice!

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:04, Reply)

Corporeal punishment would do
/Daily Mail.
( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:06, Reply)

which did you spell wrong
corporal or corporeal?

edit: damn ninjas
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:06, Reply)

Hm?
Were you poking holes in my terribly incisive social commentary? Well there were none.

NONE.
( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:08, Reply)

I'm not sure what I was aiming for really

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:12, Reply)

CRT? I bet you have a VHS recorder as well, you 1980s retro wanker.

( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:01, Reply)

it has an in built DVD player, like A BOSS

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:04, Reply)

DVD's over, man, DVD's over.

( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:05, Reply)

Torrenting movies is where it's at
i only own 3 DVDs, two of which were free!
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:06, Reply)

I don't torrent films, I rent them and rip them
This, to my twisted sense of morality, is a decent compromise.
( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:07, Reply)

I like it actually
but my local independent DVD rental shop just closed which was really sad as the cahp that ran it was great. i refuse to go to blockbuster and all others near me are epically shit
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:09, Reply)

I use a mixture of Blockbuster for the 5 for £5 for a week deal
and Lovefilm.
( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:10, Reply)

i like chatting to 'Gary' though he was great at recommending both old and new
it was small touch of humanity in my desolate and empty life
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:12, Reply)

Yeah, I don't want any of that humanity in mine.
They're mostly awful.
( Kroney, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:13, Reply)

This is true and the rest are ghastly

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:14, Reply)

I always knew you were the sort of person who would buy a tv with a built in DVD player

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:06, Reply)

I have one
I got it from Tesco.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:07, Reply)

I hear that's where you buy all your best clothes

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:07, Reply)

Only my suits.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:14, Reply)

Tesco budget electronic fives

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:08, Reply)

Me too, it loaded from the side and is the exact size of the cupboard it was kept in at my 'rents bedroom (I have it now).
Think about the logic of that.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 18:55, Reply)

Actually my Dad bought it for us 7 years ago from Tesco for £100
as a bit of falt warming pressie whenwe moved to London, still works like a charm, has a 100% flat screen and the tv programs never look like "Days of Our Lives" due to over sharpness

:p
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:08, Reply)

is it a samsung?
the picture on my old CRT properly flat screen tv was excellent
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:08, Reply)

Not sure actually, apart from the size it is perfect
even then it sits quietly in teh corner
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:10, Reply)

Absolutely
I have an end of the line Sony Wega, and the picture is incredible. It beats even high end plasmas if watching SD telly.

I won't upgrade to a HD telly until I can afford to subscribe to HD channels. Otherwise its a bit of a waste. My twat of a brother in law has had a 'big telleh' for about 5 years, and has watched approximately, zero minutes, of HD content on it.
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:51, Reply)

but did it warm your falt?
this is the question.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:09, Reply)

Just found a bottle of Becherovka
in my cupboard. Internet seems to say drink in shots, chilled, or with tonic water. Any other suggestions?
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:23, Reply)

molotov cocktail and looting

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 11 Aug 2011, 17:30, Reply)