Liking pictures, sculptures, etc is all well and good
I just hate the pretentiousness of "It show mankind's struggle agsint consumerism, juxtaposed with the suffering of the red squirrel" fucking bollocks that they all go on about.

No, its a picture/sculpture/etc...
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:02, 2 replies, latest was 14 years ago)

There is so much art in the world and you don't have to like or understand all of it.

( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:08, Reply)

For me, it isn't about understanding it at all
I dont have to understand the Mona Lisa but I can appreciate that is is quite well painted
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:10, Reply)

No problem. Modern art is more about ideas and concepts than beauty or storytelling.
Art can make us think as well as smile or feel sad. A lot of modern art leaves me cold too and I went to art school.
( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:14, Reply)

I have nothing against modern art per se
It is just the whole unmade bed with condoms shite that gets on my tits. I even like some of Damien Hirst's stuff
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:15, Reply)

Haha! You should have seen my installation in my final year.

( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:17, Reply)

Tell the group please.....

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:18, Reply)

Is was about violence against women and it was crap.
It involved a life size rag doll and a video on loop of my face being slapped. There were other factors but for the life of me I can't remember.
( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:20, Reply)

My mate's boyfriend is an "artist"
He stood in the corner of a room with a lampshade on his head and a video camera as a piece once

W.T.F.
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:22, Reply)

Was his cock the light switch?
Like Jesus
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:25, Reply)

I have to say I do not know the answer to this

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:26, Reply)

I could see how not understanding something would frustrate you when it isn't instantly accessible.
A person who understands art a little better might get more from it than you and might well be better qualified to talk about it.
( WormuIus, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:20, Reply)

So there is art for the masses and art for other artists?

( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:22, Reply)

This is the puzzle for me.
If I wrote a novel, it wouldn't be reviewed by people who couldn't read very well, people who couldn't read at all couldn't really hope to experience it as it was intended, obviously they could get an audiobook or have someone explain it to them but something essential to it would be lost.

It would be common ground amongst most people that an expert in literature would be better placed to pass judgement on the novel and whilst people with no formal education in literature were free to read the novel and comment on it, in any consultation about the novel their opinion would not carry the same weight.

It seems to me that people with no formal education or training in art seem much happier to chime in with 'I know what I like' and 'a 5 year old could have done it' and expect to be taken seriously. This puzzles me and I don't think it should be indulged.
( WormuIus, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:24, Reply)

I doubt very much Joe Bloggs expect to be taken seriously when passing judgement on art or literature.
They are just giving their opinion whether right or wrong. I'm quite well read for a non literature buff but I wouldn't expect anyone to take my opinion seriously when judging a book.
( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:30, Reply)

So people who read a book and don't like it should not be allowed to tell others why they didn't like it
because they have no formal training in literature?

*edit* What I mean is the same as Blousie really. just because people have an opinion on something doesn't mean they will be taken seriously at all. I went to Vatican City and had a look at all the fancy paintings and statues. I know nothing of Ancient Roman Art but I still felt qualified to say to people, hey you should go see that stuff it was awesome.

The people who comment on art with no formal training seem to only get told off for it when they say something negative. When they say "I love that bed/shark/glass of water" no-one has a problem. When they say "That's shit" they're opinion isn't valid because they aren't trained.
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:31, Reply)

It was the elitist eliment in art school that really pushed my buttons when I was there.

( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:38, Reply)

I work for a top 20 art college/university
99% of the stuff I see created is toss but the students strut about like they are geniuses. My brother has a fine art degree, he is 23, unemployed and has only ever found unskilled labouring jobs.
( Peej, Wed 21 Sep 2011, 13:43, Reply)