haha - inverse Godwin's Law
"it's not as bad as the Nazi's is it?"
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 20:58, 1 reply, 14 years ago)

I dont like the policies of any democratic political party being called "indefensible"

(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Mon 16 Jan 2012, 20:59, Reply)

The NASDWP were elected.

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 20:59, Reply)

They weren't democratic, in the sense that they accepted the electorates right to not vote for them at a future election.
(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:00, Reply)

No, they were democratically elected.
They were voted in to power.

They had an elected mandate.

How many ways do you want me to say it?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:03, Reply)

That isn't enough to make them democratic.
To be democratic, you need to relive in the continued existence of the system.
(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:03, Reply)

But they gained power in a free and democratic election.
So there was a mandate for their policies. They took part in a democratic election and won.

Please defend their policies.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:05, Reply)

I can not
because they did not allow further elections.
(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:06, Reply)

I thought you said that a democratic party couldn't have any indefensible policies?
Oh dear. Think before you speak, eh?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:10, Reply)

But this does not apply to the poll tax.

(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:18, Reply)

And I think that brings us full circle
www.b3ta.com/questions/offtopic/post1501769
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:20, Reply)

The Poll Tax was indefensible.
It was constructed specifically to hit the poor far harder than the rich and was meted out to the Scots a year early as punishment for not supporting Thatcher.

Defend that, you testicle-brained nitwit.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:20, Reply)

"and was meted out to the Scots a year early as punishment for not supporting Thatcher"
That isn't true, It was tested on Scotland to see if it was viable, and also because Scottish Businesses had actually pressured the government to introduce it to make running their enterprises more easily. It was. Also, I notice that Scots hated Thatcher so much that until 1997 the Conservatives were the clear second largest party in Scotland, and always got a percentage of the vote in the Mid to High 20's.
Yes, Scotland is disistrested in the Tories, the numbers suggest that was Majors fault for opposing devolution in the late 90's.
I can't support the fact that it took money away from the less well off in the UK. But I can defend peoples right to hold the opinion that because they were one person living in a house or whatever, the poll tax was good for them and the government had a right to impose it.
That will be my last political post today.
Thank you, you've been lovely, moi, moi, catches roses, leaves stage.
(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:33, Reply)

It was tested out on Scotland because they detested Thatcher and she had nothing to lose by doing so.
The rest of that post is utter nonsense.

You want to me go through it point by point?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:39, Reply)

Why do you argue with him?

( girlinthehole, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:40, Reply)

It's funny.
He thinks he can compete but he lacks the wit, the nerve, the skill and the effortless good looks.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:42, Reply)

No thanks.
Facts don't lie.
the Scottish Tories
1979- 32%, 83- 29%, 87- 24%, 92- 26%, 97- 18%.
97 is when the vote collapsed. They had 12 MPs until 92, even at their lowest.
Even if everyone else in Scotland despised them, and I won't argue with that, they had a base that was in % terms larger than Labour's base in England.
Bye.
(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:41, Reply)

You silly wee boy.
Go and read some fucking books, or better yet, ask a grown up to read one to you.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:43, Reply)

Plus, the BNP are 'democratic'.
Would you care to defend their policies please?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:00, Reply)

They have frequently hinted that democracy would not be allowed under them.

(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:01, Reply)

But they have candidates in democratic elections.
Ergo they are at present a democratic party. They take part in the democratic system.

Please defend their policies.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:04, Reply)

If indeed they were democratic
I would say that even though every single policy of theirs I detest logically, emotionally, and rationally (as a right-liberal rather than a left authoritarian), they have a right to hold them and there would be nothing inherently evil about them, just wrong on a utilitarian level.
(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:08, Reply)

I thought you said that a democratic party couldn't have any indefensible policies?

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:09, Reply)

They are defensible, they just would not make me feel good about living in the UK.

(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:11, Reply)

Go on then, defend the BNP's policies.

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:12, Reply)

... Oh, Touche, I CBA.

(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:14, Reply)

You mean you can't.
So you prove my point.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:16, Reply)

But this does not apply to the poll tax, hypothetically
if it were imposed in a nation with very high personal wealth.
There is not anything Inherently logistically or morally wrong with ALL flat taxes everywhere.
The Poll tax was wrong for the UK, does not mean that its imposition was devoid of good faith or reason, or that it could not work elsewhere.
(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:21, Reply)

But Thatcher brought it in in the UK.
So what you are saying is a total irrelevance.

Learn to debate, you fool.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Mon 16 Jan 2012, 21:24, Reply)