Gove is a cunt of the highest order and everything that comes out of his mouth is either a lie or another way to give public money to prviate companies.

(Bazongaloid, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:25, 3 replies, latest was 13 years ago)

That could be any tory minister, not just Gove.

( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:26, Reply)

Is it really a lie that the current qualifications earnt by today's children aren't worth shit?
If universities are saying (as businesses have also been saying IIRC) that people are coming to them unprepared even for their degree courses, doesn't that support his claims? I also think he's a massive cunt, but the supporting evidence for at least that part of what he's being saying is rather mounting up, no?

Or do you genuinely believe that the children of today are all super-gifted wunderkinden (correct German? I learnt all mine from war comics, soz), hence them all getting five billion A* etc.?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:28, Reply)

GCSE prepares you to learn A-level
This then prepares you for a degree
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:31, Reply)

....except that this isn't happening.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:34, Reply)

Well, it is in a way
the standard of each level has fallen so degrees are not as difficult as they used to be, what has been said today is that to actually do the level fo work reuqired for a degree 20 years ago you need a higher standard of maths than is currently being taught.

As a guy on the radio said this morning its also the fault of the Universities for accepting people with these shit A level standards, if they told the schools and colleges what they would accept then the schools would soon start teaching to that level again. But it come down to Uni's accepting shit students just to get more money.

And that is actually Tony Blairs fault for insisting that 50% of people should attend Uni.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:38, Reply)

I have always said the thing I've most hated about Tony Blair was that he said 50% of people should go to uni.
What a fucking crock of shit, I was looked down upon by so many people because I left at GCSE. In the meanwhile, aside a few doctors'n'stuff, I would say I'm more successful in my field than most people who did the whole degree thing are in theirs. Litterally I'd say 90% of anything I would have potentially learn't in a degree would be 100% defunct now. The game has changed so much, the goal posts have moved.

Not everyone is mummy's little scholar, some people learn by 'doing stuff' rather than by 'learning stuff'. Ok, you can't do that if you're a doctor or accountant, but there are _many_ industries that work like that.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:46, Reply)

Okay, I apologise for generalising to the degree that allowed you to be such a pedantic bellend.
Yes, exam standards have been dropping for years, decades even, but nobody in government seems willing to address the problem.

But Gove's solution is to simply privatise all the schools, still being funded from the taxpayer mind, but being run by an unaccountable company.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:31, Reply)

I thought another of his proposed solutions was simply to bin these shit exams
and bring in harder ones?

If I've understood this correctly and that is so, how is that related to privatisation? I'm not being pedantic here - perhaps just a bellend, but I am genuinely asking.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:37, Reply)

His ideas all seem to be linked back to reintroducing the 11 plus.
And again, on an individual basis maybe not every single thing that he said is bullshit, I daresay he asks for a cup of tea when he actually wants a cup of tea, but his overall ideas for the education system are all leading towards his goal of having schools run for profit.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:41, Reply)

what is the 11 plus then?

(Poppet some assembly required., Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:42, Reply)

It's short for '11 plus 3'
If you can answer that, you get an A* 'A' Level in Maths.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:47, Reply)

It was an exam that kids took at 11
If you passed you got to go to a grammar school and got taught to a high standard and could go to uni, if you failed you went to a different school which taught you at a lower standard.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:47, Reply)

At my school, no-one failed the 11+.
You just 'didn't get in to Grammar School'.

Which is sort of like failing, you hippy fucks!
( Devil_In_Tights the *real* DiT!, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:49, Reply)

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( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 10:00, Reply)

Somebody gets the contract to write the new exams?

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:42, Reply)

it's wunderkind

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:37, Reply)

Thanks, Robbsy.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:37, Reply)

np, bro

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:38, Reply)

I agree with you 100%
He looks like a right shifty cunt too
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:30, Reply)

A sweaty one, too.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:31, Reply)

He must have been on my metro

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:32, Reply)

He looks like he was used as a toast rack at school, the greasy little oik.

( Devil_In_Tights the *real* DiT!, Tue 24 Jul 2012, 9:39, Reply)