Alex Salmond is a fat, racist cunt
And he couldn't run a fucking bath, never mind a country.

If the population has a complete spaz-attack and actually votes for his nonsense, it'll end up blowing up in his face. Suddenly he won't be able to blame anyone but himself for the mess he finds himself in.

Why do you think it's taken so long to organise the referendum? He's leaving it till 2014 so that he can wrap himself up in the 'anniversary of Bannockburn' bollocks in a last desperate attempt to win the vote.

If he does win, there'll never be another ship built on the Clyde or the Forth. They'll never win another 'English' Navy contract. Faslane will close when he stamps his 'no nuclear' button. There's 20,000 jobs down the lavvie straight off.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Mon 15 Oct 2012, 14:55, 1 reply, 13 years ago)

hahaha! YEAH!
all those job is shipbuilding eh? cor, I like going in my time machine back to the 30's when the clyde used to build ships.
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 14:57, Reply)

Will there still be jobs for us chimny sweeps and boot shines?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 14:59, Reply)

what about all those shoe shine boys and the soap boys working in the barbers?

( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:00, Reply)

My apothacary had better not shut down, where will i get my leeches!

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:00, Reply)

Also, it's BAE systems that build it you fucking idiot.
why the fuck would they close their yards because scotland became independent?
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 14:59, Reply)

maybe because they're going down the tubes as well?
Also, no more Scottish voters in marginal constituencies = no need to build and mothball an expensive aircraft carrier white elephant.
(localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:02, Reply)

okay, so what you're saying is scottish independence will effect BAE systems business strategy?

( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:04, Reply)

it's already affected mine, i've sold all my shares in rust coloured paint

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:05, Reply)

Yes
Defence companies are politically controlled. That's why the BAe/EADS merger just fell through, the Germans wanted more control over it and us and the French didn't want that.
BAE only exists as it is cos the Govt allowed it to buy all the old Royal Ordnance etc anyway.
If the political reason to build in Scotland (votes) goes, so will the work. If it was cost reasons they'd be built in Korea or Italy.
(localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:11, Reply)

Because the MOD has never allowed a major warship to be built outside of a British port.
If Scotland goes independent it's a cert they'll insist on all ships being built in English yards, regardless of what BAE owns.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:03, Reply)

YEAH! just like tendering out contracts to polish and czech companies for tanks!
or eurofighter.
or our interest in swedish saab interceptors
or our new kit suppliers
or the american built apache fleet
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:05, Reply)

You can only get apaches from america
it's where they live in their teepees
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:06, Reply)

Can you point out the SHIP in that list? FFS.
And the Apaches are not 'American built'. They are built by Westland in Britain under licence.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:09, Reply)

you do realise a load of the compnents don't come from the uk.
you do know we haven't "built" a full warship here for quite some time.

perhaps you mean assemble.
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:10, Reply)

plus, you know, we also said the same thing about tanks.

( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:11, Reply)

You can argue over semantics as much as you like
But work that can be done in England won't be sent to an independent Scotland.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:12, Reply)

okay, thanks for the info.
sorry, what's your role in whitehall again?
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:13, Reply)

pencil case

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:14, Reply)

Much the same as yours I'd imagine.

(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:15, Reply)

The Clyde and Forth ports are busy building the new aircraft carriers
and get a share of all the other Navy contracts - like the Type 45 destroyers and the new generation of frigates.

Nowhere near as many jobs as back in the 30s admittedly, but it's still thousands of jobs out the window.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:00, Reply)

erm, derrrr
but why would you need to carry aircraft? they can fly, you idiot

lol
(quintsy, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:02, Reply)

right, so you're saying multi-national company BAE systems
will lose contacts, that it has already won, due to scottish independence. and BAE would revert to an English company, still being the largest arms firm in England.
Umm, why would the English government punish them and risk jobs in portsmouth and plymouth?
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:02, Reply)

Potsmouth and Plymouth are shit enough to be Scottish, and so the circle completes itself

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:05, Reply)

I'm not sure if your dimness is caused by coming from Glasgow or whether you were merely dropped on your head as a child
BAE can own shipyards wherever the fuck it likes, but if the 'English' MOD is writing the cheques, they can insist on which yards the ships are built in - e.g. Portsmouth, Plymouth, Barrow etc.

The contracts already signed will be honoured, but the MOD have already hinted that they won't be putting any future business in the direction of Scottish yards following independence.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:07, Reply)

I'd insist that they were built in Solihull

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:08, Reply)

yeah, but you see, that's bollocks.
the work is done in scottish yards for a reason chumpo.
and, it's cheaper. that might swing things. it's hardly like building them in fucking iran.
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:08, Reply)

Cost doesn't come into it. Votes do.
The English government won't send work north of the border if it means English yards suffer.

You're really not thinking this through at all.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:11, Reply)

pointless argument, of which you are worng, it won't happen anyway.

( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:12, Reply)

That's a compelling argument right there

(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:17, Reply)

Before WW1 ship work was spread out
across as many yards as possible to keep them going so in the event of war we could outbuild the Germans. Cost didn't come into it. Defence is dictated by politics, not cost.
(localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:18, Reply)

www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/scottish-independence-navy-frigate-contracts-will-be-held-after-uk-split-vote-1-2479063
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:19, Reply)

cheaper? bollocks
cheaper = Korea, see above
(localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:14, Reply)

Gangnam Style!

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 15 Oct 2012, 15:17, Reply)