eh
I know, that's why I'm not. It's just the closed minded, kneejerk reactions that bug me. Mostly in real life I rant in lecturer mode until they either concede or walk away. Typing takes longer
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:45, 1 reply, 13 years ago)

sounds rather patronising.
if it's all conceptual then surely thinking it is utter wank with no use or value whatsoever is a valid response, if those are the feeling it provokes. it's supposed to provoke feelings, ain't it?
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:47, Reply)

Yes
reactions are important, but to dismiss a whole area/movement/era of art is still close minded. I don't demand everyone should like every piece, but it's the same as saying 'I hate all rock music and therefore it shouldn't exit' and then refusing to even listen to any of it
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:50, Reply)

damnit! You've drawn me into it again

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:51, Reply)

I am not close minded.
I hate lots of different stuff irrationally.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:52, Reply)

fair enough then
as long as your irrationality works on a rational basis :)
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:57, Reply)

:D

( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:53, Reply)

but if it's shit, shouldn't it be dismissed.
the problem with this shit is the wank... artists that come up with it have their head so far up their own arses all they can see is shit. it shows in their work.
it's wank for people that like to listen to david gray and have dinner parties serving whatever nigella tells them to.
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:53, Reply)

Some of it is
but not all of it is. That's kinda my point. Just the same with figurative art, I'm sure there were many terrible wanky painters in renaissance Italy, convincing people their art was good when it was terrible arsewankery.

A lot of conceptual art needs a bit more time and attention to appreciate, some is worth it, some isn't. Mostly, though, peoples' descriptions of it and photographs of it is not as useful as going there and seeing it.
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:57, Reply)

thing is, it's poorly executed rubbish
made by people trying to be smarter than they are. when you see these twats talking about their pieces, either they are just aresholes or they can't actually convey their emotions via their chosen medium properly.
that's why it's wank, because it fails to express what it was intended to.
( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 15:03, Reply)

The fact remains that Damien Hirst could take a shit in a pint glass and it would be shortlisted for the Turner Prize.

(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 1 Nov 2012, 15:03, Reply)

"fact"

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 15:04, Reply)

You betcha.

(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 1 Nov 2012, 15:08, Reply)