Yeah. Because what would be a really, really good idea
is to fuck the renumeration packages of public sector workers so hard up the arse that anyone with even a vague modicum of ability leaves to go and work in the private sector, thus leaving only the utter cretins working in the Treasury, all education between the ages of 5 and 21, the NHS, the armed forces, the police, etc etc.

Because, y'know, there's absolutely NO way that can backfire. None.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:44, 1 reply, 12 years ago)

:(((
I'm not a cretin :(((
(PsychoChomp, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:46, Reply)

That's not what I meant.
I was mostly referring to what will happen in the future with the current government's plans.

I'm fucking astounded that a pissy 1p reduction in beer makes headlines and the planned removal of progression pay in the public sector in 2015 has been completely ignored as if it's irrelevant.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:49, Reply)

The budget was a farce, apart from the NI reduction to help small businesses employ more people.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:50, Reply)

It's hardly unexpected
Osborne is such an astounding retard even the Treasury don't know what to do with him.

The only scary thing is a creeping dread that Ed Balls would be even worse at it.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:52, Reply)

Anyone who wants that job should be barred from having it.
The economy should be handled by economists not politicians.
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:54, Reply)

It mostly is.
That's what the Treasury and the BoE are. Most Chancellors take the advice of the Treasury and the BoE. Apparently, from what I've been told, Osborne doesn't because the Tories "know better"
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:58, Reply)

"know better" will end up as directors of the private companies that will ultimately end up owning much of the public sector, once they have left office.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 12:00, Reply)

that too.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 12:03, Reply)

Good point.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 12:06, Reply)

It's a "Paradox", I'll give you that.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:55, Reply)

No it's not.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:58, Reply)

How comes this one isnt' a "paradox"?

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 12:05, Reply)

Because it doesn't contain two things that are mutually incompatible.
The two points of a paradox must be unable to both be true simultaneously, but both seem to be true as they stand alone. "para" means "beyond" and "dox" means "thought" or "opinion"

Ok, best simple example I know of, "what happens if Pinocchio says 'my nose will grow now' ? "

Everyone one knows Pinocchio's nose grows if he lies. And the statement "my nose will grow now" can either be true or a lie. But if it's a lie, his nose will grow because he's lying, but that would make the statement true. The two parts are mutually incompatible.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 12:12, Reply)

That was quite good, as was the £10k tax free loans for employees to buy season tickets etc.
Neither of them new ideas or going to save the economy, but better than nothing.
(PsychoChomp, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:53, Reply)

But I don't even want to watch football on the telly, let alone see it live repeatedly.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:54, Reply)

1/10.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:55, Reply)

I hate to sound thick, but what are "season tickets" in this context?

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:56, Reply)

Annual travel tickets for commuting.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:57, Reply)

ahh

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 12:05, Reply)

I know, it's a real terms pay cut which is pretty significant.
That's why everyone I know with any sense in the NHS is doing all they can to move up or ship out.

The best thing they could do for the public sector would be remove the barriers from leaving for a couple of years and coming back. I think people like me and others should be flitting between public and private sector as much as possible. but it's fucking stupid how much that'll cost you on your pension alone.
(PsychoChomp, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:52, Reply)

No, you're thinking of the 1% cap, which is a cunt, but understandable if not really justifiable.
The removal of progression pay will make it impossible to get a pay rise for being good at your job. At all. So you're left with a job that pays you the same whether you are good or shite. And that amount is pathetically poor compared to equivalent workload, responsibility and skill levels in the private sector. And they are trying to streamline the public sector.

So who's going to leave? those with ability, the people you really need to make these departments work better and more efficiently? Or those who can't fucking find their arse with both hands? It doesn't take a genius to see how rapidly this is all going to be totally fucked into a cocked hat.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:57, Reply)

They say they're only stopping automatic pay progression. Not performance related progression...
I'll have to look into it more.
(PsychoChomp, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 12:06, Reply)

There is no automatic pay progression in the public sector
check your contract. It's all technically performance related.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 12:13, Reply)

yeahhh buuuuuttt, it's basically automatic.

(PsychoChomp, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 12:16, Reply)

basically, yes it is.
But if they tinker with that it will do one of two things - nothing at all, or mean that no-one ever gets a pay rise. There is no possible middle ground on this because of the way the system works. The system itself and the attitudes surrounding it needs reforming. Not the pay practice. And if you want a better, more streamlined public sector, you don't cut pay. You increase pay and then get rid of those who underperform. Given that's how any fucking half decent company works it's beyond belief that the Tories can't grasp that.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 12:20, Reply)

Could they put in 24 month contracts like the mobile phone companies?

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 12:07, Reply)

Oh come now. Yes you are.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 21 Mar 2013, 11:49, Reply)