yeh that literally happens every second of every day my mistake

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:40, 2 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

Can't be bothered to go through them all in detail
but the word family appears 111 times on the wiki page for list of fatal dog attacks.THats out of 246 fatalities so I would say its pretty common that the family pet kills
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:43, Reply)

so because they were in a family they must be well trained?
not sure i follow.
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:44, Reply)

wait, i've seen the list, its for the usa,
first family dog killer was a labrador, this screws everything up, still failing to see the bit that says it was well trained, where is that bit? cheers
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:45, Reply)

Why does it matter if it was well trained.
All breeds can be badly trained
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)

Hang on, you own a staffy don't you?

( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)

yeh and she's DANGEROUS

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:47, Reply)

100% of staffie owners will defend them no matter what
so no point debating with you, even that dumb bitch whose staffie killed her own kid defended the dog.
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:50, Reply)

i wasn't talking about my dog though,
i didn't realise i was even defending her, is she part of this discussion?
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:52, Reply)

also she's only partially staffy, seeing as you seem to want to talk about her.
i've got pics if you like too!
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:53, Reply)

because that's the exact point we were discussing wasnt it?
that it's the badness of the owner rather than the breed? i'm so confused.
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)

Yes and I am saying that even well trained dogs can attack
so the breeds most likely to kill if they did snap probably shouldn't be kept as pets. Ie. the big strong ones
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:48, Reply)

i see what you mean
but also there is no evidence there that any of those dogs were not badly trained rather than well trained and just snapping

edit: though i should point out, if there were evidence of that then of course i would completely agree. i don't disagree even, i just havent seen any evidence other than what people reckon, so far here
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:49, Reply)

A large number of the deaths are children
So really the size of the dog is irrelevant.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:57, Reply)

oh, second one was a dog the family was keeping for a family friend, so not a family dog after all.
am i looking at the same info as you here?
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)

Probably
but there is no evidence that the majority of the dogs in the list were badly trained.
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:47, Reply)

there's no evidence to say that they werent either
so i have no idea why you thought the list proved anything
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:48, Reply)

The list proves some breeds kill a lot more than others

( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:49, Reply)

yeh i don't think anybody thought otherwise

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:49, Reply)

And those breeds are the ones that are also statisically more kept by bad owners who don't train and encourage aggression in their dogs
So?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:58, Reply)

Also, Rotties/Pit Bulls are going to be skewed examples
as they are frequently kept as untrained guard dogs, so very much more likely to be in a situation where they attack
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:01, Reply)

god damn, the only data i can find on fatal dog attacks in europe only goes up to 2010,
when there were 15 in all of europe and it doesn't say how many of them were a well trained family pet :( i am terrible at research
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:43, Reply)

I found a stat that says
Over 75% of dog bites are from the pet of family or friends. Yes I know stats can prove everything
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:45, Reply)

I bet the majority of people who get bitten
are the sort who can't recognise the warning signs of a dog getting stressed.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:54, Reply)

does that prove anything about how the dog was trained?

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:10, Reply)