Sure, I'm not against it as a concept.
But I can understand the problem some people have with it. It is a rather dictatorial move. Whether the intentions are good or not doesn't stop it being so.
( Kroney, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:31, 3 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

If they weren't giving us the option of opting out, I'd agree, but they are.
They're giving us the option.
( Two Hats 🎩🎩, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:34, Reply)

I don't want to get all conspiratorial over it because I genuinely don't believe this is a bad move,
I'm just saying I can see why certain people might have an issue with it.

Suppose large numbers of people opt out, would they cancel the law or cancel the right to opt out? The precedent is already in place that shows the legality of the NHS or the state owning your kidneys. The argument will be, as now, that a living person needs a dead person's organs more than the original owner. Suddenly the population has lost control of what happens to their own bodies after death.

Again, I'm not against the law. I'm not suggesting that I seriously believe the above will occur. I'm just saying I can kind of get why people might not be altogether welcoming over it.
( Kroney, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:38, Reply)

But that's not the law, and that wouldn't become the law because the element of consent will always be kept
You could just as easily suggest that, what if they change the law to make everyone where clear plastic clothes in case you carry a hidden weapon. Yes, theoretically it could happen if all the MPs decided to vote for it, but in reality it would never happen. Same with organ donation, there will always be the option of consent.

This simply makes it more likely that people who don't have a problem with it, but who didn't bother getting a donor card, will end up donating their organs.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:41, Reply)

It's not though, is it?
You still have a choice, your family can still opt out after you are dead.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:35, Reply)

This is the problem
A lot of people I've heard complaing about this are saying "MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE MY ORGANS TO SOMEONE"...well that's what this initiative is about. Giving you the choice to opt out. What more can they do?
( Two Hats 🎩🎩, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:36, Reply)

Unless you're a tinfoil hat wearing fuckhead
it's perfectly obvious that this provides a benefit with no downside. I daresay people who take Captain Placids view that if someone asks you to do something you will refuse out sheer cuntymindedness will get their knickers in a twist, but the vast majority of people will see this for what it is, an attempt to allow very sick people a chance of living.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:35, Reply)

the downside is going to be when someone hasn't given consent and the family of the deceased is devastated when only a shell of a human is returned to them

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:51, Reply)

I have a donor card in my wallet, but I very rearly carry my wallet with me.
Time is quite important for harvesting your organs, they are welcome to mine after death, I would hate to think that process was hindered by this and that someone would be deprived of what I could give after death
( hartley hare Just some prick who thinks it doesn't apply to him, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:55, Reply)

They won't know will they,

(Bazongaloid, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:55, Reply)

of course they will, taking the organs and not telling anyone is fucking creepy

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:56, Reply)

Also, I'm pretty sure the family can still remove consent after death if they are such selfish cunts.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:57, Reply)

I might opt out just to annoy you.

( Kroney, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 13:01, Reply)

there is a jodi piccoult book about a little girl who needs a heart transplant
and the available match is from a convict on death row

quite interesting reading
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 4 Jul 2013, 13:03, Reply)

But what's left isn't the person.
The person is gone. What's left behind just *looks like the person.

Unless they died of something horrific, in which case it quite often doesn't.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Thu 4 Jul 2013, 12:59, Reply)