I've just read through a discussion on the old Facebook,
Started by an artist frind of mine moaning that his neighbours only wanted to pay 100 quid for a portrait he's done of their son. (It is an incredibly good portrait).
the discussion seems to be full of other artists/writers/clothes makers/photographera harping on that "no one understands the value of our work" or "I pay so much to create, I need a reasonable return"

Now surely, the only value something has is what someone is willing to pay for it? I make music, I play gigs, I take the money offered by the venue, normally by negotiations around entrance fee or drink takings or whatever, but you take what's on offer. Refusing to do a painting for 100 quid, or do a photo shoot for 50quid seems a bit off to me. you work, if it's good and you market it well, you get popular, your work is more desirable, you start to charge more.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 4 Feb 2015, 12:57, 5 replies, latest was 10 years ago)

So if I had come into your pub and said I only wanted to pay a quid for a pint of bitter that would be all that pint was worth and you would've sold it to me?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:00, Reply)

well no, I didn't create the product did I?

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:00, Reply)

Don't devalue the art of pouring a pint

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:02, Reply)

I'll devalue whatever the fuck I want.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:03, Reply)

if you consider art to be your job then I think you should charge price of materials, plus an hourly wage for your labour
then anything anyone wants to give you extra because it looks awesome to them can be considered as a bonus
( Glovington, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:06, Reply)

but how do you settle on an hourly wage?

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:07, Reply)

well, considering it's skilled labour...around £15 would probably be right

( Glovington, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:14, Reply)

15.50

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:20, Reply)

Sounds good

( Glovington, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:32, Reply)

take your record for example,
All the ones unsold are worth nothing, just because you ask for 15 quid doesn't mean they're worth 15 quid until someone buys one for that much.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:02, Reply)

Some people think they are worth more than that

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:04, Reply)

yeah, I know that, but that is the only value you can place on something.
You either do art you enjoy and hope someone buys some, or you do art people want.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:05, Reply)

Do the layout of the grooves mean that it's, by coincidence, the most aerodynamic frisbee known to mankind?

( Muns, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:06, Reply)

Sounds unlikely
But you can do what you like with them once you've bought them, you wakki Sean of the Dead prick.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:14, Reply)

New fruit bowls!
Get in!
( Muns, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:22, Reply)

The negotiation on price should have occured before the work began because it's a "commission"
A portrait doesn't really have a free market value, as very few people would want to buy it. Unless it was a portrait of me.
(Baggenfrock get fucked, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:00, Reply)

If he was thrifty he'd find someone else to sell it too...this might make his client up the offer
now where could he possibly find a load of guys who would pay good money for portraits of little boys?
( Glovington, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:01, Reply)

I know a guy that knows a guy.
If you know what I mean.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:01, Reply)

I think so, you mean Stunned, right?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:03, Reply)

bingo

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:04, Reply)

No. You have to be 18 to go to Bingo.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:55, Reply)

Surely they worked out the price before he started?
I refuse to do 'cheap' websites now, I have a minimum price. If someone isn't willing to pay that, they'll be more hassle than they're worth; they're normally extremely demanding. I do freebies too, but they have to be on my terms.

I've had like £250/ 3 days work jobs, that are 10 times the hassle of a £1000/ 5-day job.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:13, Reply)

That's what I fucking said
But windy won't reply to me because he's got me on fucking ignore

THE FUCKING CUNT
(Baggenfrock get fucked, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:16, Reply)

I assumed it would be too, I couldn't tell you why the buyer decided to try to renegotiate.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:26, Reply)

He should tell the buyer to get fucked, you wouldn't 'rengotiate' with a a cleaner/accountant/resturant.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 14:57, Reply)

lol

(old man river possible lesbian, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:40, Reply)

yeah, but that's fine as you can find work at the price you want,
This guy sells almost nothing. And works bars ti pay bills.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:19, Reply)

at least he has a "proper" job.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:52, Reply)

Deffo, something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
But a deal's a deal, if either party wasn't happy with the price to begin with, then they shouldn't have gone ahead. If the artist can't get the price he wants for his work, then he needs to look into doing it for a career - which is ovbously failing if he's behind a bar.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 14:57, Reply)

A woman constantly posts on our local 'spotted' page.
She's trying to flog her artwork and commissions, including portraits of childen and pets from photos.

They look absolutely fucking terrible.
( Muns, Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:25, Reply)

buy one, give her false hope.

( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 4 Feb 2015, 13:26, Reply)