Eugenics looks surprisingly appealing
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5139880.ece

One useless mother of seven.

And

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5146865.ece

Well on her way to seven or more.


Sterilisation? I'd have their ovaries and wombs removed with rusty nails.

But then I'm just an old fashioned liberal.
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 13:57, 16 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

An old fashioned liberal
And you read the Times?! :P

Sterilisation with rusty implements sounds like a plan to me.
(Son of Sam-i-am We're all as mad as hatters here, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 14:00, Reply)

*smile*
And here I thought I was the only one whose bloodthirsty thoughts regarding these things come boiling out with my anger...

The difference, however, is that I would actually do it. Personally. I'm sure that I could wield a garden pruning saw well enough to sterilize these women.
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Thu 13 Nov 2008, 14:05, Reply)

I read the Times because
I love the T2 section - it's like a glossy mag every day!

And because the Guardian is too earnest for me, the Telegraph too conservative and the rest either make me fume with anger or lack any news.

I would get my news via smoke signals but I'm watching my carbon footprint.
;P
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 14:07, Reply)

T2 is just a rip off of G2 though!
*has been a yoghurt weaving, sandal munching Guardian reader since he learnt to read*
(Son of Sam-i-am We're all as mad as hatters here, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 14:08, Reply)

TRL
Mostly I back away from physical intervention but on these two cases I'd quite happily wield the implements. I'd also slap them about first - especially the second one whose name is currently being withheld.
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 14:09, Reply)

I believe that no-one has a right to have a child.
They come as a blessing.....but not from God.

(Ok, this might be easy for me to say having never really wanted them but I stand by my opinion).

Unfortunatley the broad sweep of laws that we call human rights seem to be more important than the abuse of children.

It's a difficult tightrope to walk but maybe tightning up our social services might be the first step.
( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 14:12, Reply)

@ chickenlady
I saw all this unfold from almost first hand as I live very near to Dewsbury.

Some people I know were part of the teams that were heading out nightly to look for the lass, and this abject cunt and her scumbag family fucked everyone over.

I knew something was fishy from the start but my cynicism was proved correct yet again!
( Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 14:15, Reply)

So often people shout about their Rights
yet forget that with rights come responsibilities....

such as being responsible for your own actions and being responsible for your child.


There is part of me that has mixed feelings about all of this - are the men involved in these cases being just as vilified?

And then I remind myself - these women were the children's mothers and as such should be their protector.

They have lost the right to be mothers in my opinion.

In fact I'd go further and say they have lost the right to be a part of our society.

Lock them up and throw away the key until such time as they can prove without doubt that they can contribute to society - by which time they will be unable to produce anyway.
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 14:24, Reply)

@chickenlady
Rights and responsibilities do come together - but not in the way that you think. If I have a right to x, then the responsibility is everyone else's to avoid impeding my access to that x (at a minimum - though there could be a responsibility to help me access it).

You don't have to have responsibilities to be a rights-holder, and nor do you need to be a rights-holder to have responsibilities.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 14:49, Reply)

@Enzyme
Do you ever get bored oduring lectures and stuff and just sneak random shit in to see if the students are awake.

*long, sensible, practical lecture . . . and as Ridcully wrote in his thesis of paradigm evaluations in the third century epileptics of lower ahprodisiac, the Hedgehog can never be buggered at all . . . . rest of long, sensible, practical lecture*
(Halfy By light alone, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 14:58, Reply)

I am a Times fan
Not just for T2 which is always awesome but The Game on Mondays makes my willy wet...
( whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 15:07, Reply)

@halfy
I'd love to - but I'm just obscene, and blatantly so.

For example, a couple of weeks ago I was talking about the idea that persons are ends-in-themselves, rather than means to an end - except prostitutes, where the appropriate verb is "have" rather than "are".

It took a minute for the penny to drop.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 15:15, Reply)

What's surprised me most of all about the Baby P story
Is how many of the headlines seem to have focussed on the "shocking failings of Harringay Council," as opposed to the loathsome troglodytes who actually killed the baby.

Although I did feel a guilty smirk listening to Radio 4 this morning - immediately after a short article on this story, the Today program turned to an interview with some guy involved in the BT story - his choice of metaphor for BT's actions?

"They've thrown the baby out of the bathwater."

I can't be the only one who thinks that chap could have possibly picked a better phrase. And yes, I'll be on the next train to Hull.
(LongJohnBaldry, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 16:15, Reply)

I'm not surprised at Haringey's shocking inadequacies
since they can't even agree how to spell the name of the borough!

You see Haringey, Harringay, Haringay and sometimes Harringey.
(Son of Sam-i-am We're all as mad as hatters here, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 16:52, Reply)

^^^ Which is which?
Haringey is the borough. Harringay is the actual place, like Highgate or Muswell Hill, which are surprisingly also in the London Borough of Haringey.

*takes pedant hat off*

I saw on the BBC News website that Shannon Matthews' 'mother' was more interested in the police officer's ringtone than the welfare of her child when she was told that her daughter had been found.

*shakes head in despair and disgust*
(Klytus, I'm bored!, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:04, Reply)

Burn the fuckers
alive. On television.
(TheWeeWitch hasn't been here much recently .., Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:23, Reply)