you mean a government
like Labour that has financially fucked the economy needs to change? Damn right they do. Modern conservatism has changed. It cares about people more than Labour does. Individual people, not some mealy-mouthed socialism that Gordon Brown has wet dreams about and will never implement.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:06, 3 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

Bankers fucked the country. Not Brown.
And you know it.
( Larry Vest One day at a time, sweet Jesus, FFS., Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:09, Reply)

LoL.
Just wait. The tories never reveal their true colours until they are in power. Then all bets are off and it's open trough time. The tories only care about individual people of the right type. The rest are tax fodder. To my mind labour are currently shite because they have forgotten their roots and what they are supposed to stand for.
(porkylips looks better as the sun goes down., Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:10, Reply)

Wow
You genuinely don't think the last few years have happened do you? Labour are shit, they've fucked the entire country up. What they've done is worse than Thatcher in most respects. Even setting the economy aside (which is not solely the bankers fault) let's look at their trackrecord in education, health, and most of all foreign policy. Iraq anyone?
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:13, Reply)

Well I'm looking.
Education - what I see locally are six school all with new buildings and fully staffed. And only one of them lost their playing fields in the last Tory rule luckily.
NHS - two massive shiny new hospitals for me to choose from.
Iraq - oh, wait, that was American foreign policy. Which we were tied into to pay back Maggie's Falklands fun. America has a rather rightist capitalist government if I recall.
( Larry Vest One day at a time, sweet Jesus, FFS., Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:22, Reply)

NHS spending has risen by 100% since 1997

Do you think that there has been a 100% increase in quality? this is a classic example of throwing money at a problem. Money borrowed by Labour that we will be paying back for the rest of our lives.

Labour have been shit even when they have borrowed more money than most people can egven imagine. What would have happened had they lived within their means? It doesn't bear thinking about.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:27, Reply)

Here you go
This is what *I* see
Education - Massive amounts of money wasted on shiny new schools, falling standards of literacy, abdication of teacher power
NHS - Don't even bother telling me a shiny new hospital is worth it. I've spent six months in a hell-hole being absused and mistreated by overworked nurses. Or how about the millions spent on a non-working IT system, or the increase in administration, or the new PFIs?
Iraq - Oh wait Tony Blair couldn't lick George Bush's arse enough. He was Labour. Yeeeeah that was payback for the Falklands. No it was a weak man playing a bad hand badly
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:30, Reply)

I worked in two of those school - still work in one. They are both very succesfull.
That's what I see.
I had to use one of the new hospitals. Very efficient, and while there was a lot of 'management' about, and I did feel a bit like product, the job was done.
That's what I saw.
Iraq - we shouldn't be there. Blair got out as soon as he realised he was not going to come up smelling of roses. But I'm glad you agree it was American policy. Brown would never have got us in.
( Larry Vest One day at a time, sweet Jesus, FFS., Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:40, Reply)

I've had a very wide education
I've been to every type of school, and both my parents are teachers, and I can safely say that standards have dropped massively. Being a teacher is like being a social worker at the moment.
As for the hospitals on the surface they look good (sometimes) but I'm not merely basing my judgement on my own bad experience, but on other people I know who come out with what are pretty much horror stories. As NakedApe pointed out, it's simply not improved to the extent it should have with it's budget.
Iraq is just a fuck-up plain and simple, but it's Labour's fault for getting in there in the first place.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:45, Reply)

Foreigner
Hi. Sorry to but in - especially as I'm a foreigner and thus don't have a vote in the UK.

From my (limited) knowledge of the Falklands War, why would Iraq be pay-back for the Americans when it was Britain -v- Argentina, without American involvement?
(JohntheDane, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:42, Reply)

Curious Incident sort of thing.

( Larry Vest One day at a time, sweet Jesus, FFS., Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:45, Reply)

You really think that the Conservatives care about the common man?
They have absolutley no idea about real life. How can they know what's best for us.
( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:13, Reply)

How can they not have an idea about real life?
Or rather any less so than any other politician. Take a look at Nick Clegg's background why don't you?

I think they've got a better handle on what is needed than Labour does
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:14, Reply)

you can say the same for most politicians
believe it or not, conservatives are people as well, and are much the same sort of people as the other parties, with a sprinkling more toffs.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:15, Reply)

to be honest
the Lib Dems have more toffs than the Conservatives in my university society
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:19, Reply)

university societies can fuck off
the tosser who runs the Lib Dem society at Exeter Uni is on the Labour propaganda saying that as Lib Dems won't get in he's voting Labour to stop the Tories.

outrageous behaviour from anyone, let alone someone "involved" at university level.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:23, Reply)

That's the cuntiest thing I've heard all week
students are generally pricks and I say that in the full knowledge that I am one myself
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:26, Reply)

I couldn't believe it when I read it

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:34, Reply)

www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/04/21/conservative-general-election-candidate-rates-average-family-home-at-1million-115875-22200124/
( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:20, Reply)

that guy is obviously an idiot
also, I didn't say they could relate to the man on the street, just that they weren't really any different from any other politician
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:23, Reply)

I know but it made me laugh.

( girlinthehole, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:42, Reply)

That is a very stupid thing to say
However if you live in London, then million pound house are not that unusual, and the family living there may have been there for years riding the property boom. It doesn't mean they are exponetially richer then anyone else.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:24, Reply)

well
(a) notice the word 'claiming'
(b) the lack of actual statistics
(c) the lack of comparisons
(d) it's The Mirror
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:24, Reply)

All true: we agree on one more thing!
Pity about all the rest.
( Larry Vest One day at a time, sweet Jesus, FFS., Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:29, Reply)

I don't care about the common man.
Filthy commoners. Ugh.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:32, Reply)

I'm not rich enough to not care about the common man
yet
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 21 Apr 2010, 13:34, Reply)