On the other hand, if they don't tell the world, then people will cry out "Why wern't we warned?".
I bought an electronic ciggerette today because it was £3.50 instead of the usual £30 + £7/cartridge, it's disposable but lasts about 25 fags worth.

I got to admit, it actually tastes and feels like a fag, including it being slightly warm and biting at the back of the throat, the 'cherry' lights up too, and a white smoke comes out your mouth when you breath out. In fact, the only differance between this and a real one is that it feels heavier in the hand and you can smoke it indoors. It's actually not bad at all, I wasn't planning on quitting, but I've only had one proper fag since I opened up the packet, where as normally I would have had quite a few.

Anyway, it's one of these things: www.nicolites.co.uk , and I quite like it.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 13:35, 3 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

Also, while I'm going on about irelivent information.
Anyone going to Wireless? I wanna go on the friday and sunday.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 13:52, Reply)

Nope decent line up though

(PsychoChomp, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 13:53, Reply)

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7874291.stm
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 13:55, Reply)

If he's who I think he is, he's quite famous in iPhone Development circles.
I think Jobs flew him to California for one of the last dev conferance and used him as an example of 'how easy' it is to program for the iPhone.

I wish I had more time to dedicate to my first iPhone app, I had a Eurika moment on the weekend when I worked out how to do something I couldn't do before, which'll allow for me to do a lot more things.

I'm just finishing up this cab software today and demo'ing it later on, then going to make the iPhone/Android version over the next couple of weeks and then go live after that; yay, that's a year's worth of work coming to fruitation, and I've already got a few more buyers that want me to demo it. HUZZAH. but no time for proper iPhone/iPad development =(
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 14:06, Reply)

I looked into learning XCode in order to make an app
But I have no drive. Shame, I'd like to make something like a 'Choose your own Adventure' game, as a showcase for my (non-existent) video game writing skills.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 14:09, Reply)

I've read "Objective-C for dummys" and "iPhone Development for dummys", and between them I've worked it out.
But it was a lot easier for me as I already know quite a few languages, a "For"/"While"/"If" statement, which is integral to most programing languages is the same each time, if only written a little bit different. As I already know OOP based PHP quite well, I didn't get too confused with the Class/Function structures eaither... but if I had to start from not knowing anything, programing wise, it would be a tough job, it would be better to start with something like OOP based PHP to teach you control structures and how to deal with classes.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 14:14, Reply)

Thanks for the advice!
I know nothing about programming, which is why I struggled with XCode of an afternoon, then gave up ;)
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 14:16, Reply)

Heh, I almost gave up a few times.
It's best to learn Objective-C and _then_ x-code. The other way around is a bit like learning how to photoshop without having any concept of artistic direction.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 14:40, Reply)

I'm not good enough in Objective-C / X-Code to teach it to other people yet, but I am with PHP.
If you want, I can set you up some webspace and some basic PHP files that you can use to learn how to do things. In fact, I could make that a section of my blog, which would be good for the both of us. I'll start off very simply and then move onto complicated stuff later on.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 14:41, Reply)

And besides, you need a lisance for iPhone development which costs £59pa, where as PHP wouldn't cost anything appart from webspace, which I already have.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 14:42, Reply)

Gaz me if you're interested in the lessons thing, and that offer is open to anyone else too.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 14:43, Reply)

Thanks mate, I'll do some reading around first :)

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 14:48, Reply)

Cool, once you get around the basics, it's not to hard at all.
I've got frameworks you can use to make life easier, for example, I can return a load of database entries inside one line of code, rather than without the framework would take at least 4 or 5.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 14:54, Reply)

Might take you up on that over the summer
Though should probably get more fluent in one of the languages I half know (c/c++, Java and ActionScript) first.

Best suggestion I can make is to start with a simple project that can be easily extended.
Since I'm a massive geek, mine is a D&D character builder (i.e. basically making databse software, simple GUI), which I'm going to extend to incorporate NPCs/monsters (more of the same), then try and do something that will let me rub battles on the comp (more rules, simple pathing, proper (2D) graphics programming) (with a final ambition to make it work on a tablet PC so it's touch sensitive). First attempt failed, but have switched the campaign to 4th edition since (from my dad's old 1st ed books), and so going to reattempt it in that over the summer.
( Tedium Alduce me to interlow myself., Wed 2 Jun 2010, 14:54, Reply)

Totally agree that an expandable simple project is the way to go.
I come from a web background, so I'd suggest a blog that expands into a portfolio and all that.

One of the troubles with learning PHP to begin with though is that you need a grasp on HTML/CSS to do anything useful with it, but personally I find it the easiest 'programing' language (rather than 'formatting' language like html/css is). Plus you then really quickly want to learn Javascript to do something with a 'wow' factor to it. But to be honest, with Javascript, if someone was starting from scratch, I'd recomend they learn jQuery, you can do pretty much anything in Javscript much easier inside that framework.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 15:08, Reply)

Not overly fussed about web stuff yet
Have a couple of very competent codey friends that can do all that for me if needs be.

Dammit, I keep thinking of things to do with making the program, and I know that I really should write them down, but if I do I'll start actually working on it before the end of term, do no revision, and fail :(
( Tedium Alduce me to interlow myself., Wed 2 Jun 2010, 15:16, Reply)

Serious question.
How do you get on with spelling in your coding?
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 14:16, Reply)

I find it better, personally, for example.
for($i = 0; $i < 10; $i++) { echo "The number is ".$i; }

I look at that and can see it'll go through a loop where $i = 0 while $i is less than 10 and incriment $i by 1 each time. When it does this, it'll print out the text "The number is " followed by the current number. Then $i is disgarded when the loop is finished.

To 'normal' people, I find, they can't get their head around that, or if they do, it's unnatural. To me, I read it as perfectly as someone would read english, it just makes sense. A lot of the time, you'll have to jump around, like inside that loop you might decide to something to a database, so my head would jump to what it's doing inside there and see that it's doing it 10 times.

Or another way of explaining it, most people see.

a, b, c, d, e.

But sometimes B would effect D, so I would read it a, b, d, c, e, which my dyslexic brain sees easierly.
( G/PP &#128169;&#128169;&#128169;&#128169;&#128169;&#128, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 14:38, Reply)

interesting to hear a review of one of those
not known anyone else who's used one
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 13:58, Reply)