I’ve been on a couple of marches. And the same thing happened on each occasion.

March starts OK then you reach the place where the police have decided the riot will be. You can tell where this is because the side streets will be blocked off and the Rossers change from uniformed cops to riot filth with numbers removed and faces covered. Finally they block the route of the march its self. You can’t go backwards due to the weight of people, you can’t escape up a side street because they’re all blocked off. As the front gets pushed into the police lines they give a helping hand by smashing you on the head.

When the inevitable happens the filth can claim they where only reacting to the violence to the of the crowed. Funnily enough the media, politicians and police have been happy with this approach for generations. It was only when the police introduced ‘kettleing’ where they cut up protests into managed groups, stopping the crush and violence, that mainstream commentators took notice that peaceful protesters where being detained without cause.
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Thu 18 Nov 2010, 11:54, 42 replies)

It doesn't help with the likes of Tomlinson and that silly woman goading them, though.
Everyone's got a breaking point.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 12:21, closed)

was that the woman
who was attacked by the police because he couldn't decide within 7 seconds that she wasn't packing a weapon at all and was in fact holding a carton of orange juice?
( sandettie light vessel automatic New Twitter - @bollocksreally, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 12:25, closed)

I'm saying everyone's got a breaking point
And having a faceful of people screaming abuse at you is not going to help your mood.

I've noticed that often a good way to avoid getting smacked about by the police at demos is to not scream abuse at them or call them names.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 12:29, closed)

Yes everyone has a breaking point
But the police's should be a lot higher and they should go there expecting to be screamed at.
( Peej, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 12:32, closed)

as that is their job

( sandettie light vessel automatic New Twitter - @bollocksreally, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 12:41, closed)

I absolutely agree.
I'm just saying that if you poke a dog with a big stick, it may well bite you.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 12:41, closed)

*pokes with stick*

(MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:17, closed)

*cunts in the fuck*

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:19, closed)

*Holds and nurses fuck*
*cries*

Bully.
(MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:36, closed)

*Holds and fucks nurses*

( jim_bob can herd cats., Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:39, closed)

*Folds and nicks hearses*

(Vice Admiral Sir Charles Cockbrush KCB MBE DSO, who is finding it increasingly difficult to log into b3ta.com wants to duck your aunt and kick your puppy, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:45, closed)

Maybe...
just just had to be told twice? you know what they're like.
(TheManofScience, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 12:30, closed)

Yeah
Casualy walking away with his hands in his pockets, how could they react in any other way.
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:16, closed)

Yeah
He'd done the same thing - up to them and 'round and 'round a few times before.

As I said - if you poke a dog with a stick, it may well bite you. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's fact. Thus a way to reduce the chances of being bitten, is to not poke dogs with sticks.

Or, in this case, goad the police.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:19, closed)

oh, please.
if you're policing a demonstration you expect will become violent (which it will, what with the kettling and the provocation and that), you really shouldn't be enraged to the point of assault by a man walking up to you with his hands in his pockets a couple of times.
( janet aylia y'all motherfuckers need jesus, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:25, closed)

Hence my not saying it's right.
But saying it's fact.

If you're a human being in society, you shouldn't go out looking for trouble.

Not that you'd believe it on any given night in a big city.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:31, closed)

A good argument if we were talking about a guy who got bitten by a dog after poking it with a stick
But we're not. We're talking about a guy getting assaulted and killed by those charged with maintaining law and order after he walked around with his hands in his pockets.
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:35, closed)

www.b3ta.com/questions/protest/post975033
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:42, closed)

The fact that you refer to the upholders of the law in this country as 'the filth' says an awful lot more about you than it does about the police.

(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:28, closed)

Bollocks does it
the guys in balaclavas, with numbers removed, assaulting people are indeed filth.
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:37, closed)

seconded.
i've been on demos where people were pushed, sworn at and physically assaulted. the ones with the attitude problem were the police, not the demonstrators.
( janet aylia y'all motherfuckers need jesus, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:39, closed)

The balaclavas are fireproof and are there for protection from fuckwits with petrol bombs

(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:40, closed)

..and I certainly won't condone the removal of numbers before you suggest otherwise

(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:41, closed)

Yeah, 'cos they're all over the place.

( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:42, closed)

Oh I see
So they shouldn't wear fireproof gear unless someone starts lobbing petrol bombs first? Good thinking.

Using that reasoning then presumably motorcyclists don't need to put on a helmet until they're about to have an accident?
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:50, closed)

Would you like to see my elephent repelling pen?
Works 100% so far.

Before we go too much further, can we have some stats on likelyhood of petrol bombs being thrown during your standard common-or-garden English protest please Mr Fister?
(MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:53, closed)

Or, indeed, of fire extinguishers being lobbed off roofs, perhaps?

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:58, closed)

Good thing they had their balaclavas on, eh?

(MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 14:11, closed)

Good thing it didn't hit anyone.
They'd be writing a cheque for the wife and kids by now if it did.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 14:22, closed)

What's the likelihood got to do with it?
Fireproof kit became standard issue after the inner-city riots of the 80s. Google it if you're not of the correct vintage to recall it. Plenty of petrol bombs were thrown then.

My point is that the majority of protesters are of a peaceful nature and not looking for trouble. However there will always be a minority who use it as a good excuse for causing real trouble and aren't really interested in the motives of the protest. Are you seriously telling me that if the police stopped using fireproof gear, batons and shields then that minority wouldn't try to use if to their advantage?
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 18 Nov 2010, 14:03, closed)

No, I'm seriously telling you
that if you were part of a protest such as Ring Of Fire originally posted about, and you found yourself hemmed in by a ring of anonymous, well protected, armed, uniformed bodies, you'd shit your pants.

You'll be arguing to allow terror "suspects" to be tortured next.
(MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 14:09, closed)

So you agree that if the cops stopped wearing protective gear then the fuckwits would take full advantage of that?
Common sense prevails at last.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 18 Nov 2010, 14:14, closed)

I suspect you may have misread my post
Try again. Pay special attention to the last line please and apply it back to my asking about likelyhood/odds.
(MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 14:21, closed)

Yeah
those pro fox hunting hoorays could have been tooled up.
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:55, closed)

I suppose the shields are for sledging out of danger
and the batons are useful for picking protestersstones out of their horses hooves?
(MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:42, closed)

No they're for protection from fuckwits throwing bricks

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:45, closed)

They must be well trained
I couldn't stop a brick with a baton.

But seriously, you can have the shields, maybe you can have the fireproof balaclavas (ha, yeah...), but what's with the sticks and lack of name badges?
(MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:49, closed)

Wasn't t he
the shield, baton, balaclava & no numbers combination was brought in so picketing miners could be beaten to shit with no comeback?
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:53, closed)

Sheid and balaclava have been dealt with
Baton for self defence.

Covering up numbers no one is condoning.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:58, closed)

Doesn't the covering of numbers
indicate that the cop in question is going out prepared to commit a crime, and is planning to do so.
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Thu 18 Nov 2010, 14:03, closed)

Did you not see the bit about no one condoning the removal of numbers?
In the same way that I'm sure you would not condone anyone using a peaceful protest as a cover for attacking the police or property.

You would - wouldn't you?
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 18 Nov 2010, 14:08, closed)

It says he's been herded in to a small side street and beaten by them.
What's your point?
(MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Thu 18 Nov 2010, 13:38, closed)