It doesn't matter if you're drunk
You can still make decisions.
( Pickle Fairy is clumsily dancing away this fear, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:23, archived)

Not true.

( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:25, archived)

Then you should learn your limits

( Pickle Fairy is clumsily dancing away this fear, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:26, archived)

That's not really an excuse for raping someone.
Although it seems that when men get so drunk, maybe they can't help but have sex when the opportunity arises. They should know their limits, if that's the case.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:28, archived)

Well, I mean the changing your mind after

( Pickle Fairy is clumsily dancing away this fear, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:30, archived)

What if you are so drunk that you can only mumble, and you can't stay conscious?
How is that 'changing your mind afterwards'?
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:34, archived)

This is where knowing your limits comes in...

( Pickle Fairy is clumsily dancing away this fear, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:34, archived)

Oh you really are a fuckwit aren't you?

( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:36, archived)

Yup

( Pickle Fairy is clumsily dancing away this fear, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:37, archived)

*clickety click*

( Theoban What of it, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:37, archived)

Ah resorting to insults rather than a well reasoned argument
Isnt that what i get accused of?
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:38, archived)

Oh great, clique to the rescue.

( well, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:39, archived)

It's only really worth reasoning with people
who are capable of understanding reason.
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:39, archived)

Well reasoned arguments seem to be lost on PickleFairy

( SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:40, archived)

you fucking morons

( 100% kitten better than ever, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 23:04, archived)

I think we're talking about
when it actually is 'changing your mind afterwards'.
Being drunk can actually make you more "up for stuff" that you wouldn't normally do. Like dancing.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:36, archived)

Fucking hell
So you've never gone out and got too drunk? Are you seriously implying that there is any kind of blame to be put on a woman for being raped?

Are you fucking insane?
( SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:29, archived)

I have been so drunk that I can't make decisions

( Pickle Fairy is clumsily dancing away this fear, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:33, archived)

I'm permanently that drunk.

( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:34, archived)

...sorry, thats just totally fucked up your logic
You've been that drunk, thankfully for your sake nothing bad happened, but if it had, are you seriously saying that you'd take responsibility?

That's...well, it's extremely offensive, for one.
( SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:36, archived)

You're too thick to make any decisions at all, to be honest.

_{oh you horrid popular page bullies!}
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:37, archived)

Learn your limits?
What the fuck?
( well, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:30, archived)

What if your drink is spiked?
What if you drink the same amount as you normally do, but it affects you more?

Have you the slightest clue about what you are saying?
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:30, archived)

If you drink is spiked that's a completely different point
No-one expects you to make decisions after that.
( Pickle Fairy is clumsily dancing away this fear, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:34, archived)

But how do you know?
How can a man tell?
Does a little sign light up above your head?

No.
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:39, archived)

How can a man tell if throughout th evening you've given him all the signals that you want to have sex
ie having your hand on his cock

Surely the woman has a responsibility to not encourage such things by her behaviour?
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:40, archived)

If she says No.
It means no.

If she's incapable of standing up, in capable of speech, incapable of walking, then she is incapable of making an informed decision, and therefore having sex with her, knowing that she is unable to make an informed decision is having sex without consent.

The areas get a little grey when both parties are that pissed, but the onus is always going to be with the more sober of the pair.
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:43, archived)

Wicca, i am all dispair

( SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:46, archived)

But lets face it
Most often both parites are pissed

Possibly in your experience but i would imagine not in others men are not all evil monsters intent on rape and violence... it might well be two drunk people and a confluence of events. It really is far from cut and dry as you paint it.
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:52, archived)

Well he could start by asking
if she says yes, groovy.

Also it's probably fair to say that by the time it gets to that particular act, if she says she's not into the idea then it's safe to say that she's not into the idea.

To be honest I fail to see how anyone could get it wrong, without noticing it wasn't wanted.
( SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:44, archived)

I think that's something like flirting.
It doesn't mean a woman should be violently attacked.
( Lisette von Falcon, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:46, archived)

Spiking someone's drink is a crime in itself,
and if it's rohypnol... well... anything someone consents to after that is irrelevant.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:40, archived)

I doubt anyone is going to spike your drink
I suspect you're safe
( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:37, archived)

KNIGHT IN SHINING ARMOUR AHOOOOOOY!

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:39, archived)

I think he probably read what people had said in the thread so far
and picked a side based entirely on that to be fair.
( well, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:41, archived)

Hahahahaha.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:46, archived)

Hahaha.
For a while I thought you were actually for real but you are CLEARLY a gonzo fake account.

Not a bad innings though.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:31, archived)

Seriously, that Youtube thing where your comments are read out to you is exactly what we need on this board.

( Theoban What of it, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:33, archived)

I think that would only encourge some of the cretins on here.

( well, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:34, archived)

I am optimistic that it would lead to a moment of epiphany

( Theoban What of it, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:35, archived)

I'm not,

( well, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:36, archived)

It's when they decide "yes" at the time,
and then decide "no" in the morning when they remember it that the trouble starts.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 18:26, archived)