Well, we're all ugly, have bad teeth, sip tea constantly, and wear bowler hats.We also are all evil genii, so it just goes to show that some stereotypes are true.
Anyway, I don't think that Americans can claim to have a majority of intelligent people in their country after the events of the last 24 hours.
(Anyway, I don't think that Americans can claim to have a majority of intelligent people in their country after the events of the last 24 hours.
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:23,
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This isn't really the place for a political debatebut to put it another way, I've paid close attention to the media coverage around the world and in the US. America has been deceived constantly by the Bush administration and he has proven himself to be incapable of eliciting any international sympathy. Most Bush supporters think that Hussein caused the Sept 11th attacks, and that the world likes Bush.
There is, of course, no such thing as unbiased media, but it seems more than a little odd that the rest of the world, with countries that support Bush and those that don't, all agree that he has been lying to the public and making bad decisions.
What is difficult to understand about the situation? America has voted in (rather than voted _back_ in, because he didn't win the first time) an absolutely terrible leader when they had the option of a man who was infinitely less terrible, and who stood a good chance of actually being quite good at the job.
Now it's your turn to not throw insults. Just because I'm in the UK it does not mean that I haven't been paying attention.
EDIT: I really am crap at trying to avoid political debate. My apologies to those who find this mind numbingly tiresome.
EDIT2: I do really like the pictures you've made though, even if we disagree on politics!
(There is, of course, no such thing as unbiased media, but it seems more than a little odd that the rest of the world, with countries that support Bush and those that don't, all agree that he has been lying to the public and making bad decisions.
What is difficult to understand about the situation? America has voted in (rather than voted _back_ in, because he didn't win the first time) an absolutely terrible leader when they had the option of a man who was infinitely less terrible, and who stood a good chance of actually being quite good at the job.
Now it's your turn to not throw insults. Just because I'm in the UK it does not mean that I haven't been paying attention.
EDIT: I really am crap at trying to avoid political debate. My apologies to those who find this mind numbingly tiresome.
EDIT2: I do really like the pictures you've made though, even if we disagree on politics!
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:33,
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1. Most bush supporters know that Saddam didn't cause the 9/11 attacks.
2. Bush did win the first time. That is just an excuse that people like Michael Moore use to make up for the fact that they don't know how the electoral college works.
3.John Kerry was extremely corrupt. He also had no plans for anything. And his running mate was also a horrible choice. I'm not saying Bush is great, he wasn't great at all, but Kerry is just as bad as Bush. You could have replaced Kerry with a cactus, and he would have gotten as many votes solely on the fact that he is not Bush.
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:42,
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2. Bush did win the first time. That is just an excuse that people like Michael Moore use to make up for the fact that they don't know how the electoral college works.
3.John Kerry was extremely corrupt. He also had no plans for anything. And his running mate was also a horrible choice. I'm not saying Bush is great, he wasn't great at all, but Kerry is just as bad as Bush. You could have replaced Kerry with a cactus, and he would have gotten as many votes solely on the fact that he is not Bush.
This could turn into yet another 'no, you're wrong' debtates...Alright then:
1 www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030906.wpoll0906/BNStory/International/
2. Bush only won because of what is generally considered at best a very shakey court decision, and at worst corruption on the decision making committee. Yes, technically it was legal, but only because of severe loopholes.
3. I've read John Kerry's policies, and he had consistent plans for most aspects of American life and a morality that he has stuck with throughout his voting history. Yes, he certainly wasn't perfect, but even if he was exactly the same as Bush in all other respects (which he's not) it still would have helped the global perception of America to have got rid of Bush. I think you underestimate just how hated Bush is throughout the world.
For more info about lies told by both sides of the campaign, check out this article: www.factcheck.org/article298.html
(1 www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030906.wpoll0906/BNStory/International/
2. Bush only won because of what is generally considered at best a very shakey court decision, and at worst corruption on the decision making committee. Yes, technically it was legal, but only because of severe loopholes.
3. I've read John Kerry's policies, and he had consistent plans for most aspects of American life and a morality that he has stuck with throughout his voting history. Yes, he certainly wasn't perfect, but even if he was exactly the same as Bush in all other respects (which he's not) it still would have helped the global perception of America to have got rid of Bush. I think you underestimate just how hated Bush is throughout the world.
For more info about lies told by both sides of the campaign, check out this article: www.factcheck.org/article298.html
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:53,
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I know how the electoral college worksand the decisive florida vote - that isn't proportional unlike some states - was dubious, and after recounts was found in Gore's favour. Whethe on record the electoral college votes went to Bush in the end is academic due to Gore's submission to defeat after the Supreme Court ropey decision... and what of the *unbelievable* electorate exclusion policy? You committed a crime so you can't vote? do you have any comprehension of the desperation and hopelessness cause by poverty? a larger proportion of those people turn to crime ( or indeed terrorism - which is a subjective term anyway ) So the Republican mission was to remove the right to vote from those most hard done by. Hm.
3. No one was expecting Kerry to be a saint. No one was expecting Kerry to really even be any good, he simply presented a chance for America to build back some of the bridges Bush burnt internationally. That's all. And that should remain a desirable thing for *everyone*. If the Democrat was actually any good, he probably would have won.
(3. No one was expecting Kerry to be a saint. No one was expecting Kerry to really even be any good, he simply presented a chance for America to build back some of the bridges Bush burnt internationally. That's all. And that should remain a desirable thing for *everyone*. If the Democrat was actually any good, he probably would have won.
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:54,
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alsowouldn't it be much nicer if this were the offical Not Political At All Super Happy Fun Time?
yes, it would.
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:30,
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yes, it would.
Stop pushing your freaking agenda on us man!Hehe. Not really. I agree.
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:33,
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coastal populous and internationalist regions of America - informed and intelligent.flyover states... uninformed and conditioned.
man I love stereotypes... but there's always a grain of truth.
New York people ... Louisiana people. Big difference.
(man I love stereotypes... but there's always a grain of truth.
New York people ... Louisiana people. Big difference.
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:34,
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My "flyover" stateWent for Kerry. And I helped to vote the last damn Repulic*nt out of state office. And gave the democratic senate challenger a crushing victory over an uber-conservative, out of state, moralising, god-invoking twat. I'm PROUD of my "fly-over" state. And thinking about moving to Canada or Europe, all the same, because this America is NOT the America I even want to know anymore, or grew up with. It has been a sad day for me. I love this country...but now I can easily see moving to another one.
Appropos of nothing......B3ta is special because of all the talented people who populate it. I don't post pictures because I don't really know how to use Photoshop or Paint, and don't really have the time to sit down and learn them (working 2 jobs)..but I really do enjoy the art that everyone else does. There are some really brilliant, clever sorts of people here. Sorry for longness, but had to say it. I have really enjoyed my time on B3ta. I believe I spelled everything quite correctly, and on the first try. Fluffy April
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:01,
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Appropos of nothing......B3ta is special because of all the talented people who populate it. I don't post pictures because I don't really know how to use Photoshop or Paint, and don't really have the time to sit down and learn them (working 2 jobs)..but I really do enjoy the art that everyone else does. There are some really brilliant, clever sorts of people here. Sorry for longness, but had to say it. I have really enjoyed my time on B3ta. I believe I spelled everything quite correctly, and on the first try. Fluffy April
I hear youand I apologise for my "flyover state" generalisation. I honestly think it's a damn shame that Bush has polarised America so much and engendered such hatred outside. I really do. I used to love the idea of going to America. Unfortunately it will now, solely becuase of the Bush administration take many many years before I could ever feel comfortable with being there and in any way associated with it. I'm not saying my support means a damn thing to America of course.. or even to anyone else, but I'm not alone, and I think for America that's a huge shame.
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:20,
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.SpankyIt's probably much better for you to stay where you are. Much more pleasant, and less...fascistic? Thanks. fluffy, down-hearted April
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:47,
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You were off to such a good start."Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing on earth, you keep on talking"
Hank Hill
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:37,
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I think B3tanscan't claim to have a majority of intelligent people.
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:38,
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No, but I think it's safe to say that generally they are very media-awareand as such are often more conscious of the lies that are told everyday, including the utterly flawed stereotypes of different nations.
My point was purely that it seems that over half of the voters in the US believed more of the things said by Bush than were said by Kerry, despite overwhelming evidence that Bush has been frequently lying to the populous.
'Intelligent' was perhaps the wrong choice of word, my apologies for that, but I do sincerely belief that over half of America currently believes adamantly in lies that have been told to them, and that a little research would at least bring a little healthy doubt into their world-view.
(My point was purely that it seems that over half of the voters in the US believed more of the things said by Bush than were said by Kerry, despite overwhelming evidence that Bush has been frequently lying to the populous.
'Intelligent' was perhaps the wrong choice of word, my apologies for that, but I do sincerely belief that over half of America currently believes adamantly in lies that have been told to them, and that a little research would at least bring a little healthy doubt into their world-view.
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:12,
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A fine pointwell made.
fact is, and I know this from being there and from knowing people who live there well, that American mass media is enormously propagandist, censored, and biased.
I also know that the Pentagon has a propaganda division. Which isn't a conspricacy theory or a secret - it does. The only other Western nation in history to do the same is... Nazi Germany.
And further to what Matazone has pointed out, a large proportion of active b3tans over the years WORK IN THE BRITISH MEDIA
(fact is, and I know this from being there and from knowing people who live there well, that American mass media is enormously propagandist, censored, and biased.
I also know that the Pentagon has a propaganda division. Which isn't a conspricacy theory or a secret - it does. The only other Western nation in history to do the same is... Nazi Germany.
And further to what Matazone has pointed out, a large proportion of active b3tans over the years WORK IN THE BRITISH MEDIA
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Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:32,
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