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# Thought I should share this
Proof: Some Americans are cool and fucking funny
www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html

Like Red Meat.. only funny. And satirical. And intelligent. So.. not like Red Meat at all really.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:14, archived)
# I think that's glasscock
but I love that site, it's my favorite web comic.
(I helped save b3ta! Shiksa, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:15, archived)
# news to me
I got the link off Bob Mould's weblog:
modulate.blogspot.com/
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:18, archived)
# I think it was a long time ago
that the link was posted here. In any case, it's well worth mentioning again.
(I helped save b3ta! Shiksa, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:23, archived)
# *resents that*
*is American*
(Hairy Midget, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:20, archived)
# *resents you*
*is stupid*
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:23, archived)
# *retracts that*
*has realised context*

and perhaps should point out that that was a pro American comment in a world that has become increasingly disenfranchised by the current unilateral neo-conservative agenda of American politics.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:26, archived)
# *maybe doesn't*
www.b3ta.com/board/3902831

*makes one wonder if I had misunderstood context doubly*
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:27, archived)
# Well, we're all ugly, have bad teeth, sip tea constantly, and wear bowler hats.
We also are all evil genii, so it just goes to show that some stereotypes are true.

Anyway, I don't think that Americans can claim to have a majority of intelligent people in their country after the events of the last 24 hours.
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:23, archived)
# Or maybe you guys
don't understand the situation.
(Hairy Midget, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:24, archived)
# This isn't really the place for a political debate
but to put it another way, I've paid close attention to the media coverage around the world and in the US. America has been deceived constantly by the Bush administration and he has proven himself to be incapable of eliciting any international sympathy. Most Bush supporters think that Hussein caused the Sept 11th attacks, and that the world likes Bush.

There is, of course, no such thing as unbiased media, but it seems more than a little odd that the rest of the world, with countries that support Bush and those that don't, all agree that he has been lying to the public and making bad decisions.

What is difficult to understand about the situation? America has voted in (rather than voted _back_ in, because he didn't win the first time) an absolutely terrible leader when they had the option of a man who was infinitely less terrible, and who stood a good chance of actually being quite good at the job.

Now it's your turn to not throw insults. Just because I'm in the UK it does not mean that I haven't been paying attention.

EDIT: I really am crap at trying to avoid political debate. My apologies to those who find this mind numbingly tiresome.

EDIT2: I do really like the pictures you've made though, even if we disagree on politics!
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:33, archived)
#
1. Most bush supporters know that Saddam didn't cause the 9/11 attacks.

2. Bush did win the first time. That is just an excuse that people like Michael Moore use to make up for the fact that they don't know how the electoral college works.

3.John Kerry was extremely corrupt. He also had no plans for anything. And his running mate was also a horrible choice. I'm not saying Bush is great, he wasn't great at all, but Kerry is just as bad as Bush. You could have replaced Kerry with a cactus, and he would have gotten as many votes solely on the fact that he is not Bush.
(Hairy Midget, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:42, archived)
# This could turn into yet another 'no, you're wrong' debtates...
Alright then:

1 www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030906.wpoll0906/BNStory/International/

2. Bush only won because of what is generally considered at best a very shakey court decision, and at worst corruption on the decision making committee. Yes, technically it was legal, but only because of severe loopholes.

3. I've read John Kerry's policies, and he had consistent plans for most aspects of American life and a morality that he has stuck with throughout his voting history. Yes, he certainly wasn't perfect, but even if he was exactly the same as Bush in all other respects (which he's not) it still would have helped the global perception of America to have got rid of Bush. I think you underestimate just how hated Bush is throughout the world.

For more info about lies told by both sides of the campaign, check out this article: www.factcheck.org/article298.html
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:53, archived)
# I know how the electoral college works
and the decisive florida vote - that isn't proportional unlike some states - was dubious, and after recounts was found in Gore's favour. Whethe on record the electoral college votes went to Bush in the end is academic due to Gore's submission to defeat after the Supreme Court ropey decision... and what of the *unbelievable* electorate exclusion policy? You committed a crime so you can't vote? do you have any comprehension of the desperation and hopelessness cause by poverty? a larger proportion of those people turn to crime ( or indeed terrorism - which is a subjective term anyway ) So the Republican mission was to remove the right to vote from those most hard done by. Hm.

3. No one was expecting Kerry to be a saint. No one was expecting Kerry to really even be any good, he simply presented a chance for America to build back some of the bridges Bush burnt internationally. That's all. And that should remain a desirable thing for *everyone*. If the Democrat was actually any good, he probably would have won.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:54, archived)
# YAY HM!!!!! Well said!
And read something besides the Mirror.
(drnuclear, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:44, archived)
# yet we're all b3tans, yes?
so let's all just make out.
(schnurricane, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:26, archived)
# also
wouldn't it be much nicer if this were the offical Not Political At All Super Happy Fun Time?

yes, it would.
(schnurricane, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:30, archived)
# Stop pushing your freaking agenda on us man!
Hehe. Not really. I agree.
(I helped save b3ta! Jimmeh, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:33, archived)
# making out
is the great equalizer.
(I helped save b3ta! Shiksa, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:32, archived)
# coastal populous and internationalist regions of America - informed and intelligent.
flyover states... uninformed and conditioned.

man I love stereotypes... but there's always a grain of truth.

New York people ... Louisiana people. Big difference.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:34, archived)
# My "flyover" state
Went for Kerry. And I helped to vote the last damn Repulic*nt out of state office. And gave the democratic senate challenger a crushing victory over an uber-conservative, out of state, moralising, god-invoking twat. I'm PROUD of my "fly-over" state. And thinking about moving to Canada or Europe, all the same, because this America is NOT the America I even want to know anymore, or grew up with. It has been a sad day for me. I love this country...but now I can easily see moving to another one.

Appropos of nothing......B3ta is special because of all the talented people who populate it. I don't post pictures because I don't really know how to use Photoshop or Paint, and don't really have the time to sit down and learn them (working 2 jobs)..but I really do enjoy the art that everyone else does. There are some really brilliant, clever sorts of people here. Sorry for longness, but had to say it. I have really enjoyed my time on B3ta. I believe I spelled everything quite correctly, and on the first try. Fluffy April
(April, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:01, archived)
# I hear you
and I apologise for my "flyover state" generalisation. I honestly think it's a damn shame that Bush has polarised America so much and engendered such hatred outside. I really do. I used to love the idea of going to America. Unfortunately it will now, solely becuase of the Bush administration take many many years before I could ever feel comfortable with being there and in any way associated with it. I'm not saying my support means a damn thing to America of course.. or even to anyone else, but I'm not alone, and I think for America that's a huge shame.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:20, archived)
# .Spanky
It's probably much better for you to stay where you are. Much more pleasant, and less...fascistic? Thanks. fluffy, down-hearted April
(April, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:47, archived)
# You were off to such a good start.
"Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing on earth, you keep on talking"

Hank Hill
(drnuclear, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:37, archived)
# I think B3tans
can't claim to have a majority of intelligent people.
(Indole Ring, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:38, archived)
# No, but I think it's safe to say that generally they are very media-aware
and as such are often more conscious of the lies that are told everyday, including the utterly flawed stereotypes of different nations.

My point was purely that it seems that over half of the voters in the US believed more of the things said by Bush than were said by Kerry, despite overwhelming evidence that Bush has been frequently lying to the populous.

'Intelligent' was perhaps the wrong choice of word, my apologies for that, but I do sincerely belief that over half of America currently believes adamantly in lies that have been told to them, and that a little research would at least bring a little healthy doubt into their world-view.
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:12, archived)
# A fine point
well made.

fact is, and I know this from being there and from knowing people who live there well, that American mass media is enormously propagandist, censored, and biased.

I also know that the Pentagon has a propaganda division. Which isn't a conspricacy theory or a secret - it does. The only other Western nation in history to do the same is... Nazi Germany.

And further to what Matazone has pointed out, a large proportion of active b3tans over the years WORK IN THE BRITISH MEDIA
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:32, archived)
# you must be american, cool and fucking funny
else i wouldn't be wearing my Cap'n biscuit T-shirt.
(I helped save b3ta! lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:23, archived)
# gracias
muchy senior
(Hairy Midget, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:24, archived)
# Can you take
a picture of you with it on?
(Hairy Midget, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:25, archived)
# ooh, not tonight,
but tomorrow if i remember.

*currently not wearing it as about to go to bed
(I helped save b3ta! lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:29, archived)
# I am also American
and I get tired of the rampant knee-jerk anti-Americanism that crops up around these parts.
But that website is just plain funny.
(I helped save b3ta! Shiksa, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:25, archived)
# *points out note*
www.b3ta.com/board/3902838

Some people have the intelligence to see that politics and society are nowadays ( if not always ) two different things. Others vote Bush.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:31, archived)
# others make broad generalizations.
i think i'm going to be avoiding the ol' b3ta.com for a long while.
(schnurricane, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:34, archived)
# nooooo!!!
who will make out with us then?
(I helped save b3ta! Shiksa, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:38, archived)
# the opinion of the huge majority of the non American world is that Bush is a cunt
and if you want to debate it I am very well informed and completely able to engage in such a debate articulately and constructively, and not ( to generalise again ) simply some reactionist pinko commie moore-loving bleeding-heart liberal pansy.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:41, archived)
# I'm sure
the rest of the world appreciates you speaking for them.
(drnuclear, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:59, archived)
# what do you think of Bush?
saint?
or cunt?
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:01, archived)
# Cunt.
Cunty cunt.
(April, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:08, archived)
# Hooray!
Ding dong!
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:33, archived)
# Given that .spanky seems to be well informed on US political events of the last four years
and that the majority of the world doesn't have an internet connection, I should think that they probably do appreciate their views being spoken, yes.

Are you actually suggesting that there are more people in this world that like Bush than hate/fear/distrust him? If that is truly what you believe then you must be very sheltered from non-US media.
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:04, archived)
# There is a huge difference between America and its government.
I'm very saddened that Bush has won because it means that people over there have been blinded by the media. It's not about 'anti-Americanism'. I really love America and the people I meet when I'm over there, but there are also aspects of it that I despise, predominantly the 'we're number one!' mindset that seems to be extending into US politics and religion.
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:38, archived)
# I just want to point out
that nearly half of the country voted against Bush.
Trust me, many Americans do not buy into everything this administration is selling.

That is all.
(I helped save b3ta! Shiksa, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:41, archived)
# I know, and that gives me some hope.
Unfortunately that half wasn't enough, and now they don't get a say in policies for the next four years. Bush doesn't exactly have a great record of listening to his people so far, so I can't imagine he's about to start doing so now... Not that the UK government is much better, but that's just because Blair seems absolutely blind to the chance that things presented to him by Bush might not be real.
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:44, archived)
# can't argue with that.
So let's look at the bright side...term limits!
Four more years and OUT THE DOOR!
(I helped save b3ta! Shiksa, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:53, archived)
# Someone on my forum made the point
that technically he wasn't voted in the first time around, so maybe he'll run again next time!

But yes, thank goodness for that aspect of your political structure. If Bush can get back in then that means that there's a chance that Blair might get back in again too, and we have no limits on re-election.

Hilary Clinton for 2008!
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:01, archived)
# I absolutely recognise that
which is why I'm not yank-bashing. just cunt-bashing, because we're in a situation where the rest of the world has to deal in very real terms with the actions of that unbelievable administration. Since unfortunately most people are reactionary rather than measured and objective, it's important to go the extra mile and be informed - and therefore able to make pragmatic decisions in amongst the heady emotions of the current geopolitical climate.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:47, archived)
# Sorry
I don't and never have bought into the "we're #1" bullshit. And I was born and raised and live here.

As far as I'm concerned...we're number........oh 118? Shit. Some of us aren't Jingoists...by any stretch. April.
(April, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 3:12, archived)
# i remember that site from a month or two after it launched,
*further proof i need to get out more, and sleep soon*
(I helped save b3ta! lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:22, archived)
# now about these cool kids
i mean, come on.

they're all doing it.

come on.
(schnurricane, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:26, archived)
# Hmph
I thought we were all facist retards.
(drnuclear, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:30, archived)
# I thought you said South Americans
But it's all good.
(I helped save b3ta! Jimmeh, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:31, archived)
# You are proof
that many B3tans are unintelligent, unfunny, and bigoted.

This site has gone down the shithole.
(Indole Ring, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:42, archived)
# It's like this everywhere on the internet
You can't say just this site has gone down the shithole.
(I helped save b3ta! Jimmeh, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:45, archived)
# Not quite everywhere
Just the sites that are heavily infected with Bush Derangement Syndrome. Unfortunately, B3ta is one of them. :(
(Indole Ring, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 1:50, archived)
# you have no idea
just how bad Bush is for the world.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:11, archived)
# you have no idea
period.
(Indole Ring, Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:24, archived)
# Well thank you
for your incisive political commentary.

Thank you for snidely standing up for a president who has made the both our countries ( I assume from your vernacular that you are an American ) less safe places to be. If you think that Bush is the best at homeland security because "You haven't been kiilled by a mad Islamic fundamentalist while Bush has been in power" then WAKE UP you're not going to be. But more people will now because of your governments insistence in supporting the state of Israel's insistent oppression of Palestine which causes immense resentment of America across the Arab world. An immense resentment that is becoming more pronounced for my country because we own the soil that a number of your most strategic air bases are on, and have to therfore show our support because we can't risk severing all ties. "You're either with us or against us" - don't tell me I've taken this out of context, I haven't. he was talking about the war on terrorism. oh, and by the way, You can't have a war on a subjectivism.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:41, archived)
# please elaborate?
unintelligent? in what particular way do you mean?

Unfunny? I wasn't trying to be funny, I was sharing a politically themed cartoon whic I liked. but I could probably tell you a joke if you like.

Bigoted? against which race or creed exactly do you mean? I have had protracted and sometimes heated conversations with a certain colleague who has claimed to hate Muslims. I can explain in more detail the expressed lengths I have gone to to tear her argument apart if you like, but I won't now. More to the point is the fact that her opinions which were tantamount to "pakis go home" or "Juden Verboten" made me feel utterly sick to the very core of my being. If you consider me somehow bigoted I would like you to explain exactly in what way.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Thu 4 Nov 2004, 2:09, archived)