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# ..
(I helped save b3ta! beaubodor blogless, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 14:52, archived)
# Good day sir!
I have paid homage.
(I helped save b3ta! collapsibletank procreates, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 14:54, archived)
# hahaha
I love all this ^
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 14:57, archived)
# hahahaha !
I am humbled... :-)

Cheers Sir !
(I helped save b3ta! beaubodor blogless, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:00, archived)
# that's superb!
(I helped save b3ta! slight yoinks!, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:04, archived)
# hehehehehehe
the hazing gets pretty extreme, though
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 14:54, archived)
# and there isn't much ammunition
for the food fights either...
(I helped save b3ta! beaubodor blogless, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:04, archived)
# Shame on you
Don't you know that "most inmates are fed better at Guantanamo than at home"

Why, even the children they had locked away there got to eat McDonald's once or twice.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:09, archived)
# Indeed.
Pretty much all of them gained weight.

But don't let troublesome facts get in the way of your little hate-America festival.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:13, archived)
# Criticism of the Bush administration only equates to hatred of America
in your tiny little mind.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:24, archived)
# In your tiny little mind
people who try to stop terrorism and dictatorship are worse than actual terrorists and dictators.

Your ethical values are totally inverted.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:29, archived)
# No,
I have the luxury of you inverting them on my behalf... but thanks for playing.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:30, archived)
# You have the luxury
of doing your best to mock the system that feeds, houses and protects you, while leaving the real criminals, mass murderers and torturers of the world unmolested by your sneers. And you can only do that because you live in a democratic country.

Yet you despise that democracy rather than those who are trying to destroy it. Your activities are a waste.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:35, archived)
# There you go again - feeding the world your black and white vision
I love democracy... I mock and oppose all those who would destroy or weaken it.

And that goes for you, too, Mr Shouty Pants.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:42, archived)
# You're the one with the black and white vision.
If Bush or Blair are less than perfect, you think they're Hitler.

You're weakening democracy with your distortions.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:45, archived)
# Please stop shoving your words
into my mouth... they taste like sewage for some reason.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:50, archived)
# let's save everyone the time and space...
www.b3ta.com/board/5152291
(I helped save b3ta! beaubodor blogless, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:25, archived)
# seconded!
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 16:14, archived)
# haha yay
complete with special face-breaking frat boy signet rings
(I helped save b3ta! gravytrain, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 14:56, archived)
# It's always been exclusive
You have to be a terrorist to get in.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 14:56, archived)
# Oh, really?
I got the impression they were pretty flexible on that rule. Well, on most rules to be honest.

edit: Gosh, hasn't it gone quiet?
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 14:58, archived)
# Your impressions,
based as they are on left-wing propaganda, have little relation to reality.

(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:08, archived)
# So you're telling me
that every inmate in Gunatanamo is a terrist. I'd be interested in seeing your proof.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:10, archived)
# I'd be interested to see your proof
that they're not.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:12, archived)
# Sorry, chum.
I have the presumption of innocence on my side. Show me your proof of guilt.

Here's a clue: You can start by looking through the records of the trials these men have been given.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:14, archived)
# Bush has the presumption of innocence
but that doesn't stop you and Bo'bo'bo'obo'bo'dor and others caling him a criminal.

(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:18, archived)
# Aw, poor diddums...
he has to put up with people using word-like-things against his use of bombs, napalm, torture and detention without trial. There's no justice.

I know you must be feeling left out, what with having no banner and all... so I made this just for you:



(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:23, archived)
# So you're reality-impaired
and instead of citing facts you can only make stupid jokes.

www.b3ta.com/board/5164747
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:25, archived)
# beats changing the subject
I have the presumption of innocence on my side. Show me your proof of guilt.

Here's a clue: You can start by looking through the records of the trials these men have been given.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:28, archived)
# Prisoners of war don't get trials.
And being captured while fighting out of uniform doesn't even entitle someone to be a prisoner of war. It entitles them to be summarily sentenced by a military tribunal and executed on the spot.

Guantanamo inmates actually get better treatment than what they are entitled to receive under international law.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:31, archived)
# 'They never had it so good'... is that your entire case?
They gained weight and all.

You claim they're all guilty. Show me your proof of guilt.

PS - Unlawful combatants don't get trials... that's what you meant to say, isn't it?
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:36, archived)
# I don't have access to information that would constitute proof
and you know it, which is why you've chosen this line of attack. But the rules of civil law don't apply in this case anyway.

Actually prisoners of war don't get trials. Being captured while wearing an enemy uniform is considered sufficient to imprison someone for the duration of the war.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:40, archived)
# Gosh
does this mean that my impressions,
based as they are on left-wing propaganda, have some relation to reality?

And I didn't choose a line of attack. You made an assertion that you could not prove, and I called you on it. You ducked you dived, but at last (and this is rare for you) you had to admit that You. Were. Wrong... before swiftly pointing out that those rules don't apply in this game, rubber/glue no returns nyer-nyer-nyer.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:46, archived)
# So it's not ok...
...for enemy combatants not to wear uniform, but CIA operatives in the field are allowed to?

Or if caught should they be summarily sentenced by military tribunal and executed on the spot?
(Fixx, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:44, archived)
# One might be tempted to mention a couple of 'hero' brits in Iraq.
Then again, one might not.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:48, archived)
# yep, makes no difference really what nationality they are,
it seems like those with the biggest guns make the rules and those with the biggest guns can break the rules, but woe betide anybody else who trys.
(Fixx, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:50, archived)
# No, no
Don't try to dodge the question. How can you be so sure they're all terrorists, every last one of them, if they've never got a trial?
(I helped save b3ta! Spunk Murphy Tchaikovsky is a synonym for fanny, apparently, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 16:48, archived)
# Oh fucking hell
Here he goes again.


Did you ever think that maybe its not always "leftist thoughts" and that oh, I dont know, maybe your sometimes WRONG ABOUT STUFF.
(I helped save b3ta! OneSullenBrit *air sandwiches*, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:13, archived)
# Oh fucking hell
Here goes another unfunny left-wing political post on B3ta.

And isn't it terrible when people don't share your beliefs?
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:17, archived)
# Go and answer this question:
www.b3ta.com/board/5164723

Instead of trying to force your beliefs on me.

And no, im not "left-wing". I dont vote. At all. Other than on forum-polls.
(I helped save b3ta! OneSullenBrit *air sandwiches*, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:18, archived)
# yes, a terrorist without having been charged and also with no way of proving your innocence at trial
fantastic system

let`s all go!
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 14:58, archived)
# so what are you when they
release you with no charge ? (apart from much thinner)
(I helped save b3ta! beaubodor blogless, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:03, archived)
# Actually fatter
since most inmates are fed better at Guantanamo than at home.

And some who were released without charge went on to commit more terrorist acts.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:07, archived)
# Really?
(tomsk, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:10, archived)
# Yes, really
But the BBC won't tell you such things because it doesn't fit their political agenda.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:11, archived)
# Okay then,
I'll believe you if you can link to something credible backing up that claim.
(tomsk, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:12, archived)
# Since you haven't defined "credible"
I'll let you choose for yourself from these 37,600 links.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:15, archived)
# Actually,
I was more interested in the "some who were released without charge went on to commit more terrorist acts."
I'm perfectly prepared to believe that being under American jurisdiction can make people fat, that's not much of a stretch...
(tomsk, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:18, archived)
# Takes a while to google them
but here's one report, since you probably won't regard this report as "credible" by your standards.

It would be unwise to assume that people are pure as the driven snow merely because they're being held by the evil US.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:24, archived)
# There you go dealing in extremes again
My insisting on a trial or doubting their level of guilt does not mean that I think they are whiter than white.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:27, archived)
# I don't assume that, that's why I was asking.
The first link didn't work for me, and yes, I'm somewhat unwilling to believe 100% what I read on foxnews.com, but let's assume it's true for now: surely, if the US releases suspected terrorists back into the world and they come back to fight again, that's a major intelligence failure on the part of the US administration in its job to protect it's citizens?
(tomsk, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:32, archived)
# It's certainly a failure
-- but it's erring on the side of giving the prisoners more rights rather than less.

If the US heeded the demands of some that all Guantanamo inmates be released unless they were positively proven to be terrorists to jury-trial standards, it would only worsen that situation.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:37, archived)
# And holding men without trial, torturing them and 'rendering' them
is helping us to win hearts and minds across the globe.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:39, archived)
# Actually it's you
who is doing your level best to 'lose' as many hearts and minds across the globe as you possibly can.

All because your own side isn't as perfectly squeaky-clean as you'd like it to be -- even as you don't ever criticise the real mass murderers, torturers and tyrants we're fighting.
(Indole Ring, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:44, archived)
# Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Yes, I am unwittingly in league with the terrists. I should let a few more things slide, lest I provide fodder for recruitment videos.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:49, archived)
# Hmm.
I don't know my international human rights law well enough to continue this discussion, really.
(tomsk, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:46, archived)
# Don't let him bluff you.
Most of his arguements are based on what he learns from War Picture Library.
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:52, archived)
# Oh,
I really can't be bothered. I was just interested to see if there actually was some solid report saying something like "Muhammed Q. Jihaddist was released from Gitmo on Monday and blew the fuck out of Baghdad on Thursday", but of course it's just some GOP loudmouth on Fox saying the US admin is "too liberal" again. "Too liberal..." You couldn't make it up, no-one would believe you.
(tomsk, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 16:00, archived)
# If you speak to him
You only give him an excuse to whinge.
(I helped save b3ta! OneSullenBrit *air sandwiches*, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:16, archived)
# it was in The Sun too
guv
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:14, archived)
# The girl on Page Three
told me and all
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:15, archived)
# added to the deportation list?
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:08, archived)
# Awesome
really, really awesome
(Flabbergaster laughs at danger (and breaks all the rules), Mon 26 Sep 2005, 15:01, archived)