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# VIVA LAS VEGETERINAS
(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:08, archived)
# Yes!
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:09, archived)
# No!
Dead things taste good.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:09, archived)
# Yech!
Dead things are teh yuckz00rz.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:11, archived)
# so you eat
vegetables straight from the grounds???

vegetarianism is against my religion
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:12, archived)
# But if an animal is killed to be eaten,
isn't not eating it a waste of a life?
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:13, archived)
# *huggles*
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:13, archived)
# Did you know
that a family of three to four people who are all vegetarian can save the lives of about 100 animals each year?
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:14, archived)
# What about all the rodents that get sucked into the harvesters?
(I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:15, archived)
# What?
Just because they don't keep the fucking meat farms clean doesn't have anything to do with me. It's disgusting, how they kill the animals.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:16, archived)
# depends
how picky you are about your meat.
it's very easy to get good quality meat that's been bred and killed humanly. in fact it's almost always better quality than that which has been killed cruelly
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:17, archived)
# We cannot all be vegetarians anyway,
We'd not be able to feed ourselves.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:19, archived)
# This is true.
Although I don't know about the taste part, but frankly, I don't think there's any humane way to kill an animal. Also, a lot of people will pass up the 'humane' stuff for what's cheaper.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:20, archived)
# We get our meat cheap, but only because we get it locally
and are good friends with the familes who produce it.
There are quick, painless ways of killing the animals, after they have had good, free range lives.
And the meat tasted absolutely fantastic :)
In fact, some of our best friends provided our christmas lunch free of charge.
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:22, archived)
# Heheh
Free range is nice.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:23, archived)
# We only eat free range.
We don't buy anything low-quality, despite our lack of money.
Which is why we turn to our friends to cut down the costs.
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:28, archived)
# Ahh
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:28, archived)
# Free range eggs from a small producer with less than 100 birds is ideal.
With factory farming caged birds are better off then the free range ones - conditions in the barns are apalling and only a very small number ever leave the barn.

Go visit a battery farm some time and compare their sheds.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:30, archived)
# i would love
to have 5-10 hens of my own when i'm settled (wife and kids if absolutely necessary) and have my own supply of eggs.

really need to get my arse into gear about finding a butcher and fishmonger near me, apparently there's a decent butcher within walking/cycling distance. there's also a farmer's market every thurs, but i'm usually in uni :(
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:43, archived)
# humane = quickly and painlessly
your people (merkins ;p) have been practising on their convicts for years.

there's a big move in the UK at the moment to change people's eating styles towards better quality meat.

(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:23, archived)
# Huh.
Really?
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:24, archived)
# yup
celeb chefs, one of whom is taken seriously, are doing a series on different farming methods, and ramsay has been rearing and killing his own meat on three series of his latest show.

basically all pushing towards local, free range, and humane killing.
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:26, archived)
# Didn't Ramsay
make his kids become friends with the animals first? That's just mean.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:27, archived)
# But if he gets them used to killing the animals,
then they will be able to carry on rearing and killing their own, in humane ways.
They'd be brought up with it.
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:29, archived)
# I dunno.
If I was his kid, I'd just be fucked up from that shit. I'd love the animals too much.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:30, archived)
# At first.
I guess we should all accept that we have different views.
One of my best friend is vegetarian, as is the girl I love :)
I know a guy up the road who only eats brown rice and is a pagan, none of it changes a person's personality any more than eating meat does.

Lets just agree to disagree?
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:34, archived)
# This.
FTW. :D
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:35, archived)
# no
he encouraged them to help rear them, in order to teach them where their meat comes from. there's anecdotes where inner city kids have been asked where meat comes from and have answered tesco's, that's more of a worry than three under 12s raising their dinner
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:30, archived)
# Oh, okay.
But still, if I was them, I don't think I'd be able to do it.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:33, archived)
# how long have you been veggie?
just out of interest.

(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:35, archived)
# About a year.
I didn't like meat, so very very rarely ate it. FInally I just stopped.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:43, archived)
# you're a bit like one of my mates
she became a veggie at about the same age, at one point i had to talk her out of buying a badge(button) saying "i don't eat meat" as she didn't realise the amount of extra female attention she'd get in the clubs she frequented.

gotta say i prefer veggies who choose it themselves rather than those who have it forced on them by their parents, the latter never seem to be all there in my experience
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:47, archived)
# If you were them
you'd not have much choice :)
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:36, archived)
# True.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:45, archived)
# It appalls me that people do not know what they are eating.
I do not eat crated veal or Fois Gras because I personally would not be willing to force feed a goose or keep a calf in a box, but the sort of person who bleats about shooting a rabbit, but eats factory farmed chickens pisses me off.

I had a woman run in front of me when I was about to shoot a partridge once. When I questioned her about the fact that she ate chicken she said 'yes, but I don't kill them myself'.

Stupid cow.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:28, archived)
# Oh my god!
Are you serious? That's fucked up.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:29, archived)
# please tell me you shot the bitch
(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:31, archived)
# Hahahah
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:32, archived)
# Not killing them yourself
kind of makes it worse.

When mum got the chicken for christmas dinner, she was there when it was killed. She's also shot her own pheasants, and my stepbrother gets the rabbit.

The chicken was HUGE.
It was turky-sized! AND we had pheasant & bacon too!
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:32, archived)
# i dunno
i'd happily eat a pheasant, grouse or other fowl if i'd shot it, even deer (never been hunting, but enjoyed clay shooting enough to be willing to give it a shot and know i'd have a chance of gaining a meal from it)
but with pigs, cows and sheep i'd rather leave it to the experts.

as for rabbits, i've only recently decided i wanted to try it, i had a pet rabbit as a child and couldn't imagine ever eating rabbit. don't think i'm quite ready to kill and eat my own bunny
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:38, archived)
# It's lovely stuff.
Absolutely fantastic in a casserole.
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:49, archived)
# But all the 'real meat' companies I have spoken to pledge never to sell meat from farms who have had BSE, F&M, etc.
This encourages farmers who rely on the Real Meat firms to hide infection, since they not only lose the herd, but also all future hope of a market.

I bouycott this sort of behaviour.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:26, archived)
# BSE
should start to relax now as people actually know what it is (not that it will)
and the government could do more to support F&M farms as it's been known for years that there's no risk of transmission through meat, and that it doesn't affect quality as drastically as thought in the 60s

bird flu's gonna be the next casualty, although places like bernard matthews are at most risk and can afford to lose a million turkeys as that just about makes one burger, as long as it doesn't affect the decent farmers
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:29, archived)
# Erm?
What?
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:18, archived)
# No, the rodents that live in the wheat, corn, etc fields.
There's a good hundred or so per hectare on average.

If you eat more than the average amount of said crops, you are responsible for more than the average amount of deaths of said animals.

Anyways, this is turning from a bit of silliness into something retarded, so I'll stop now.
(I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:21, archived)
# Oh okay.
But there are also rodents that into the meat and such at farms.

And I agree, it's getting a bit...debate-y/serious.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:24, archived)
# O RLY?
store.theworstpageintheuniverse.com/shirts.html#EVERYANIMAL
(I helped save b3ta! the_rhyme_minister has a little bit of gold and a pager, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:15, archived)
# Soya and palm oil being the biggest killers,
I suggest that this is not true.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:15, archived)
# That's not true,
because I eat the left-overs.
(I helped save b3ta! Kamikaze Stoat £4.09, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:17, archived)
# yeah that's why I wear their skins.
(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:30, archived)
# Tofu is gay.
rabbits
pheasants
Jim
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:14, archived)
# Rabbit = favourite food
Sorry KK!!
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:16, archived)
# Peasants = my favourite food.
/lordofthemanorblog.
(I helped save b3ta! the_rhyme_minister has a little bit of gold and a pager, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:18, archived)
# I don't mind when people eat meat.
But if someone tries to force me to eat meat, or tell me I'm wrong for being vegetarian, then I get pissy. :p
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:18, archived)
# I read that as I get pussy.
Interesting way to let off steam.
(I helped save b3ta! the_rhyme_minister has a little bit of gold and a pager, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:19, archived)
#
>.<
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:22, archived)
# What's that?
(I helped save b3ta! the_rhyme_minister has a little bit of gold and a pager, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:24, archived)
# The face I made
when I read your reply.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:26, archived)
# Is Clan Soul right?
Was it disaproving? I meant know disrespect. Or is he lying? Is it infact a
screwed up from laughing face?
(I helped save b3ta! the_rhyme_minister has a little bit of gold and a pager, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:30, archived)
# It's a face of squinty disapproval
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:26, archived)
# Hahahahah
I dunno why I just found your reply so amusing.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:28, archived)
# Do you drink milk?
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:19, archived)
# I'm not vegan.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:20, archived)
# So, you are happy for calves to be bred simply for the production of milk
and for their subsequent slaughter to result in them being thrown into landfill?

Do you not think that they should be eaten rather than just thrown away?

Unlike humans or goats, cows cannot lactate without giving birth each season.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:23, archived)
# Most calves are made into veal, actually.
But it's very unbfortunate how the milk is produced, I agree. I quite enjoy soy milk though, so I feel less guilty.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:25, archived)
# BUT YOU DO NOT EAT VEAL!
Also, this isn't true in the UK.

Crated veal (quite rightly) is an issue here and, for some reason, people have stopped eatting all veal pretty much.

Vegetarians who drink milk are wasting life.

Vegetarians who eat soya are supporting the single largest destroyer of habitat on the planet.

Directly you are not killing animals, but the vegan and vegetarian lifestyles are generally more destructive to animal life than a decent huntin' shootin' & fishin' man like myself will ever be.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:33, archived)
# Um...
okay. Sure.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:35, archived)
# CARROTS DON'T EXIST FOR THE PURPOSE OF HUMAN CONSUMPTION.
(I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:13, archived)
# I dislike carrots.
Greatly.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:14, archived)
# yes they do*
*when accompanied by tasty dead animals
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Wed 16 Jan 2008, 0:15, archived)