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(I helped save b3ta! Aphex The Mink Snackless, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:40, archived)
# OK
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:41, archived)
# Needs more "but actually please do it because the tax off it is an enormous prop for the NHS"
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:41, archived)
# It costs the NHS a lot
It supports the NHS a lot

does anyone have any really reliable figures on which is the more significant side of the balance?
I'm still of the opinion that a flat-out bvan on tobacco is not an unreasonable step.
(I helped save b3ta! Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:44, archived)
# Cost to NHS: ~£1bn pa
Revenue tobacco tax raises: ~£9bn pa
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:47, archived)
# And I doubt that the ratio will ever fall on that.
Less people are smoking every year, but the Government just whack up the taxes when they do.

However, I'd be interested to see how much the costs have gone up for the Government in the past couple of years now that they are investing so heavily in helping people stop smoking and such.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:51, archived)
# smoking is cool
(I helped save b3ta! grey kid is breakdancing to save a community centre, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:52, archived)
# Well exactly.
This is the killer argument that no-one has ever found a decent retort to!
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:56, archived)
# My dad smokes like a belt fed machine gun.
If you saw him you would think that he was the least cool thing in the world.
(I helped save b3ta! Smithlick is often seen at the bottom of threads, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 11:25, archived)
# But I bet he is not as uncool
as James Dean is cool!
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 11:30, archived)
# O Rly?
(I helped save b3ta! Smithlick is often seen at the bottom of threads, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 11:37, archived)
# Are we including
indirect costs to the NHS in those figures - such as the fact that smoking can contribute to making other conditions worse like Coronary Artery Disease, and the fact that many medicines for unrelated conditions become less effective if the patient is a smoker - or is your £1bn figure only the cost to the NHS for Lung Cancer treatment and Emphasema (sp)?
(Seance Trumpet has got no beef with a man enjoying a croissant, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 11:00, archived)
# I'm not sure on that.
But I do know that when I saw that £1bn figure about 18 months ago, it stated that that was the cost to the NHS of smoking related illnesses. Whether that includes exascerbation of conditions, I dont know. But I cant imagine that the people who publish those figures would want to play down how much smoking costs the NHS.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 11:11, archived)
# the chances of ever getting unbiased and non made up figures on any subject are about 90 million to 1
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:48, archived)
# Apart from chess.
(I helped save b3ta! grey kid is breakdancing to save a community centre, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:49, archived)
# mmm cheese
oh
(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:52, archived)
# this is my opinion also
hence my asking on an internet messageboard rather than trying to find out.
(I helped save b3ta! Mockingbird Practitioner of SCIENCE, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:52, archived)
# *aghast* But...but it's a plant.
Therefore FAIL, Hitler!
;)
(I helped save b3ta! grey kid is breakdancing to save a community centre, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:48, archived)
# Just ban problems!
Obvious really.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:59, archived)
# Cost of Smoking

One of the big tobacco firms did a study for an Eastern European govt, to show that banning smoking would cost them money - essentially because old people would live longer, thus costing more in state pension payments.

How do they sleep at night.
(Flappers, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 11:35, archived)
# ...
Indeed, smoking does help the NHS. Plus, the really big drains on the NHS are things like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, diabetes, and other chronic illnesses of old age... from which smokers don't suffer, because they're dead too young.
See Steve Wilkinson's "Smokers’ Rights to Health Care: Why the ‘Restoration Argument’ is a Moralising Wolf in a Liberal Sheep’s Clothing”, Journal of Applied Philosophy, vol. 16, # 3, 1999
(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 11:01, archived)
# Is that a real journal?
Sounds an incredibly ridicolous name if it is.
(Cuthbert Annihilator, Fri 11 Apr 2008, 17:15, archived)