
we have mods? what a hoot...
:)
edit: ok you wily bastards you're here this time but where were you when the titty picture was on at midday when i was in the library?
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edit: ok you wily bastards you're here this time but where were you when the titty picture was on at midday when i was in the library?

there should be far more mods on here. good decent people who spend all their time on here and care about the content being put up. *ahem*
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There should be mods and they should be known. They should be answerable for their decisions ( but not to the point that they can be bullied over a decision )
There should be rules and not guidelines and they should be rigorously adhered to.
Cunts that give me shit should be banned before they say too much and it means I have to take a trip to London to beat the fuck out of their mouthy, studenty arse and end up with a night in jail but no less smug about it.
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There should be rules and not guidelines and they should be rigorously adhered to.
Cunts that give me shit should be banned before they say too much and it means I have to take a trip to London to beat the fuck out of their mouthy, studenty arse and end up with a night in jail but no less smug about it.

i do actually agree with you, i have absolutely no idea who the mods are at all. there should be a mod on at all times of the day though too many times theres been people abusing the board of late.
and less of using "studenty" as a swear word. we're not all bad y'know? :)
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Wed 21 May 2008, 1:09,
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and less of using "studenty" as a swear word. we're not all bad y'know? :)

I was one. Thankfully when I was studying for my degree I had been to war in three different theatres and so had a bit of life under my belt.
Unfortunately for students they have reputation which is only perpetuated by their behaviour as a group and it makes it difficult to make a judgement on individuals.
You noodle eating, snake-bite drinking, unwashed twat ;)
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Unfortunately for students they have reputation which is only perpetuated by their behaviour as a group and it makes it difficult to make a judgement on individuals.
You noodle eating, snake-bite drinking, unwashed twat ;)

I've been eating left over lasangne for months. My mum must have made a ton of it and to be honest I've gotten a bit sick of it.
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Also you can extend the potential variety lifespan by frying it up instead of just heating it, although to be honest you should always fry it up because it just tastes nicer.
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and for so long it gets wearing.
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more than 4 times a week. I should not have said that. ( I should have said pot noodle ).
My chilli chicken and sweetcorn noodle soup is to die for.
( it's just an old joke in the UK that students live on pot noodles because all their grant is spent on beer, it's not far off the mark ).
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My chilli chicken and sweetcorn noodle soup is to die for.
( it's just an old joke in the UK that students live on pot noodles because all their grant is spent on beer, it's not far off the mark ).

*hides the bag of korean 13p a pack noodles (which taste a damn sight better than any other noodles i've had by a long shot) under the desk*
pot noodles are just plain wrong
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pot noodles are just plain wrong

I think they might pay you to take them but if you have some ham or bacon, onions, soy sauce ( dark, NOT low salt ) Worcestershire sauce salt and black peppercorns then you have soup fit for a king.
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is there an i-spy book of students?
to be fair for lunch i made mashed potato, julien carrots with lemon chicken
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to be fair for lunch i made mashed potato, julien carrots with lemon chicken

somebody hold my coat...
you ex army then?
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Wed 21 May 2008, 1:19,
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you ex army then?


i'm only assuming army because our pasanonic doesn't seem the type to fight mercutio over lime limelight hogging...
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me pa's ex RN, Chief Petty Officer Sellick. i've always had a fear that somehow or other i'm going to end up in the forces with no idea how the hell i got there.
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have been RN for generations. I joined too as weapons engineering artificer but an unfortunate incident in training led to me leaving. I joined the army later out of a need to get my own back.
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i don't think my fears of ever ending up in the forces have any foundation as i don't even like to be asked to empty the bins let alone obey orders
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please. It will make the best man of you that you could ever become.
You don't have to stay long, 5 years will change your life.
Only join the army if you want to end up fucked up.
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You don't have to stay long, 5 years will change your life.
Only join the army if you want to end up fucked up.

i'm too... sensitive :)
my main motivation to join (if i ever do) would be to prove my point that national service should be reintroduced.
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my main motivation to join (if i ever do) would be to prove my point that national service should be reintroduced.

And I can't really be bothered to type out an arguement as to why bringing back national service would be a pointless and hollow gesture, but I will still pose this question.
Presumably women would have to do it too?
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Presumably women would have to do it too?

national service shouldn't be just military, in germany you can join one of the emergency services instead. sounds bloody tip top to me
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Call me old fashioned, but somehow the idea of having a vocational tax on my very existence just doesn't gel that well with me.
Especially when it's such an unnecessary one such as National Service where Britain already has a nuclear deterrent based military and doesn't have any actual justified need for the extra personnelle.
Much like the government forcing people to stay on into higher education. Whether or not a standardised system of education is a good thing, forcing people to conform to arbitary principles or ideals is just bunk. Just because something is state ordained or cemented in tradition doesn't make it right, good or even effective, and I think a paternalistic approach to try to curb behaviour is a step back for a permissive society.
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Especially when it's such an unnecessary one such as National Service where Britain already has a nuclear deterrent based military and doesn't have any actual justified need for the extra personnelle.
Much like the government forcing people to stay on into higher education. Whether or not a standardised system of education is a good thing, forcing people to conform to arbitary principles or ideals is just bunk. Just because something is state ordained or cemented in tradition doesn't make it right, good or even effective, and I think a paternalistic approach to try to curb behaviour is a step back for a permissive society.

such a thing would be absurd. my reasoning for reintroducing national service is that people need discipline. as much as it hurts me to say it, we do. i'm the last person who wants to join any national force but i would be willing to give up my own priveleges for one year in the name of social cohesion and curbing the thuggish, nihilistic trend in the country.
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No system of education, no view on war or the military, no form of government can ever be correct; they can rarely even balance all the wants and woes of the people, and even then when they do the sheer selfish nature of people makes them refute equality because it means they have to pay more taxes or give money to some social strata they dislike.
Introducing false certainties and subjective values to give people discipline and also a sense of belonging is not a solution, the reason people have now begun reacting and acting like this is the state of knowledge and the world itself. While years ago you could happily ebb by with whatever certainties of patriotism, religion or citizenship you had been fed, now people are in a position that they know those old certainties are not objective and that nothing is really true. And so they feel lost.
This however is not a reason to reintroduce more false certainties just to reassure people and give them something to hold onto, this is a time to seriously think about the world and the interactions between so many people's different views and actions and try to work out if there really is any way to weigh things up. If there is any such thing as a good or better result to aim for, and more importantly if it is attainable. And at least without subjective rights and wrongs government would be able to go on no longer convinced that it was doing the right thing, regardless of the subtlties of the effect.
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Introducing false certainties and subjective values to give people discipline and also a sense of belonging is not a solution, the reason people have now begun reacting and acting like this is the state of knowledge and the world itself. While years ago you could happily ebb by with whatever certainties of patriotism, religion or citizenship you had been fed, now people are in a position that they know those old certainties are not objective and that nothing is really true. And so they feel lost.
This however is not a reason to reintroduce more false certainties just to reassure people and give them something to hold onto, this is a time to seriously think about the world and the interactions between so many people's different views and actions and try to work out if there really is any way to weigh things up. If there is any such thing as a good or better result to aim for, and more importantly if it is attainable. And at least without subjective rights and wrongs government would be able to go on no longer convinced that it was doing the right thing, regardless of the subtlties of the effect.

there is no better world for us all to strive for, thats the main lesson of history surely? people need false constructs and lies, like the lie of the state or of society. we have to have these fictions so the world is not so scary. people should believe in those lies so the system works. unless you think that we can live in an anarchist utopia with flowers in our hair. the system has to work so as many people as possible can survive one day to the next.
sorry this is taking so long to write with so little substance but i'm trying to write an essay on hebrew food laws
the reason why the west is suffering so badly from internal strife is because nihilism has struck us all so horribly. everyone is disaffected and depressed, thats why we are stagnating, no one cares about anything any more. at least when we believed the lies of god and country we achieved things. i think i'd be less likely to waste entire days sitting in front of a computer or the TV if i felt my life had any purpose
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sorry this is taking so long to write with so little substance but i'm trying to write an essay on hebrew food laws
the reason why the west is suffering so badly from internal strife is because nihilism has struck us all so horribly. everyone is disaffected and depressed, thats why we are stagnating, no one cares about anything any more. at least when we believed the lies of god and country we achieved things. i think i'd be less likely to waste entire days sitting in front of a computer or the TV if i felt my life had any purpose

What tells us that people need false constructs? Experience? Maybe, but then has anyone ever made a concerted effort to actually think about the possibility of a government or state founded on no principles or rather the principles that they will try to think about how they actually effect the world and whether it's positive or negative. Even then are you saying that the status of human civilisation and thought will never adapt or evolve, that we are mentally exactly the same as we were back when we were hunting and living in caves. I can see that humans don't like the idea of a lack of meaning and that they have to cling to false hopes, but I also see that humans see the need to have land wars over resources that technically don't belong to anyone; just because it's inevitable due to how humans act, doesn't mean it's necessary or a given that should not be thought or developed around.
I don't think people really are as disaffected as you make out, not from my eyes anyway. I constantly see people believing in their own certainties, their own ways of elevating themselves and justifying their lives. Whether it's the religious, the life's a bitch and then you die brigade, even the various alternative lifestyle types. They all believe their own hype and mould their own fantastical beliefs to insane levels where they will argue and fight over their whimsy quite easily.
Whether there's any more of a problem with disillusionment and violent abandoned men is hard to tell either, it's a sheer function of the media now that if anything happens that will set someone off then it will be in the papers/news. 30 or 40 years ago there may well have been a vast world out there that people could have got annoyed at if they only knew it existed. And I really need to go to bed now.
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I don't think people really are as disaffected as you make out, not from my eyes anyway. I constantly see people believing in their own certainties, their own ways of elevating themselves and justifying their lives. Whether it's the religious, the life's a bitch and then you die brigade, even the various alternative lifestyle types. They all believe their own hype and mould their own fantastical beliefs to insane levels where they will argue and fight over their whimsy quite easily.
Whether there's any more of a problem with disillusionment and violent abandoned men is hard to tell either, it's a sheer function of the media now that if anything happens that will set someone off then it will be in the papers/news. 30 or 40 years ago there may well have been a vast world out there that people could have got annoyed at if they only knew it existed. And I really need to go to bed now.

i'll gaz you a response to this tomorrow. i really need to finish this essay.
night man
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Wed 21 May 2008, 3:36,
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night man

so you can find out, rob, fraser, cthonic (sp), scaryduck that way. I've been told mystery bob and pep are also mod.
There is no mod ever around on the gayshift and there needs to be, just look who posts at that time.
I'm not sure that rigorous rules are the way to go accept maybe with spam and nsfw images. Filesize should be flexible but not excessive. Content: anything goes so long as it fits the previous rules. As soon as that starts being regulated b3ta will die.
Someone proposed a *link this* button that automatically linked naughty posts after a few people voted. Also there should be a report system
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There is no mod ever around on the gayshift and there needs to be, just look who posts at that time.
I'm not sure that rigorous rules are the way to go accept maybe with spam and nsfw images. Filesize should be flexible but not excessive. Content: anything goes so long as it fits the previous rules. As soon as that starts being regulated b3ta will die.
Someone proposed a *link this* button that automatically linked naughty posts after a few people voted. Also there should be a report system

I don't think it ever got posted as a feature request.
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are the established and esteemed b3tans who have brought b3ta to us and of course they have mod privileges. There are others. There most definitely needs to be a mod on at gay shift but he does not need to be an antipodean because your clique is out of hand already.
There should be rules. I fucking love rules. I was admin at one of the nets busiest game forums for the game publishers for 5 years. I was hated and loved. When I left I had countless mails for up to 3 years later telling me that I might have been 'firm but fair' and things went downhill afterwards. I didn't give a fuck, they refused to pay me so I fucked off.
B3ta is mostly self regulating but the cliques frighten the hell out of some people so they need to be moderated themselves.
Don't worry about rules, regulation won't kill b3ta. more and more idiots thinking this is 4chan will kill b3ta.
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Wed 21 May 2008, 1:25,
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There should be rules. I fucking love rules. I was admin at one of the nets busiest game forums for the game publishers for 5 years. I was hated and loved. When I left I had countless mails for up to 3 years later telling me that I might have been 'firm but fair' and things went downhill afterwards. I didn't give a fuck, they refused to pay me so I fucked off.
B3ta is mostly self regulating but the cliques frighten the hell out of some people so they need to be moderated themselves.
Don't worry about rules, regulation won't kill b3ta. more and more idiots thinking this is 4chan will kill b3ta.

I might be outspoken Bob and I might be a twat at times but when you strip the comedy and intended foolishness from my posts ) ok, don't say it ) . I do talk a bit of sense.
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would validate the board nazis and alienate new people who have not read and memorised twenty pages of instructions before they post.
What everyone has to remember, is that it's only a messageboard on the internet. It's really not all that important.
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What everyone has to remember, is that it's only a messageboard on the internet. It's really not all that important.

And I'm nor so much of a nazi that I endorse anything that frightens people away. I'm just old fashioned and military brainwashed so I feel that rules are a basic function of life. It would be nice to have a defined stricture for filesize ( but much larger than we have ) so that new members can be pointed to it. 'guideline' only causes argument.
I think anything revolving around abuse should be withing strict guidelines because having had the misfortune to study ECHR for privacy recently there is much that goes on here that the operators can be held liable for if somebody chose to take issue with it.
Again, I'm just having a joke most of the time and I don't think b3ta is broke, but there can always be room for tweaks ( and I'd propose tweaks to protect new members )
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I think anything revolving around abuse should be withing strict guidelines because having had the misfortune to study ECHR for privacy recently there is much that goes on here that the operators can be held liable for if somebody chose to take issue with it.
Again, I'm just having a joke most of the time and I don't think b3ta is broke, but there can always be room for tweaks ( and I'd propose tweaks to protect new members )

I just pulled those figures out of my ass at the time of writing, although there was a general consensus on the board at the time of what was acceptable.
I only mentioned it in the faq as an attempt to get people to think about optimisation when making their images. Does your pic really need to be a 120KB jpg, or could you make it a 20KB gif? That kind of thing.
Instead I seem to have created some kind of cult of filesize nazis who don't understand the point of the limits and post 250KB animations that point out someone else's post is 5KB too big.
I think a rigid filesize limit is a bad idea, because I have seen some fantastic stuff that is maybe 260KB. it would make the board a worse place if all that had to be linked.
I am not so keen on increased limits either. Animated gifs are quite a limited format - if you want to go much over 250KB, then you are probably better off making it a flash movie, or posting it on Youtube where you can have much better quality and add music or sound effects too.
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I only mentioned it in the faq as an attempt to get people to think about optimisation when making their images. Does your pic really need to be a 120KB jpg, or could you make it a 20KB gif? That kind of thing.
Instead I seem to have created some kind of cult of filesize nazis who don't understand the point of the limits and post 250KB animations that point out someone else's post is 5KB too big.
I think a rigid filesize limit is a bad idea, because I have seen some fantastic stuff that is maybe 260KB. it would make the board a worse place if all that had to be linked.
I am not so keen on increased limits either. Animated gifs are quite a limited format - if you want to go much over 250KB, then you are probably better off making it a flash movie, or posting it on Youtube where you can have much better quality and add music or sound effects too.

as you argue it sensibly. Personally it does not matter to me, I have 20MB cable ( soon to be 50MB ) with no transfer limit. I do know that there are many, many others who are not so fortunate.
I think filesize, no matter how much a bugbear could and should be addressed being as it came about in a time when ISP pipelines were much smaller and we all had less space to fight for but don't think I'm all abot me " I can download 5MB in 10 seconds so fuck you all ".
I just think that maybe still images could be allowed to be bigger by 50% in data ( but not pixel size, that drives me nuts, no need to make it massive, just thumb it ) and anims could be allowed to be up to 400kb just for that extra bit of data.
It's just me rabbiting on but I'm sure a discussion could maybe open up around this area?
I still think that the issue of personal and vindictive abuse is washed over and there will come a time that you will be required to address this because the law already requires that you do, just that nobody presses it. ( and the last person I know who tried was banned )
Anyway Bob, n'night, I don't mean to rock the boat, I like chats like this.
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I think filesize, no matter how much a bugbear could and should be addressed being as it came about in a time when ISP pipelines were much smaller and we all had less space to fight for but don't think I'm all abot me " I can download 5MB in 10 seconds so fuck you all ".
I just think that maybe still images could be allowed to be bigger by 50% in data ( but not pixel size, that drives me nuts, no need to make it massive, just thumb it ) and anims could be allowed to be up to 400kb just for that extra bit of data.
It's just me rabbiting on but I'm sure a discussion could maybe open up around this area?
I still think that the issue of personal and vindictive abuse is washed over and there will come a time that you will be required to address this because the law already requires that you do, just that nobody presses it. ( and the last person I know who tried was banned )
Anyway Bob, n'night, I don't mean to rock the boat, I like chats like this.

content rules. I don't want to look at kittens all day. A lot of the stuff on b3ta is fairly rancid in terms of humour taste.
I don't really like mods, basically because I hate authorities and consequently get modslapped a bit...
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Wed 21 May 2008, 1:42,
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I don't really like mods, basically because I hate authorities and consequently get modslapped a bit...

for the same reason that users don't get to vote for the front page, it's too open to abuse.
Within hours of setting that up, the board will have chosen someone to pick on and start linking every one of their posts.
The mods might miss things every now and then, but things do get picked up on eventually. Persistent offenders and trolls get banned.
In the meantime, there is an ignore button to hide posts that you don't want to see. One click and all the bad stuff goes away.
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Within hours of setting that up, the board will have chosen someone to pick on and start linking every one of their posts.
The mods might miss things every now and then, but things do get picked up on eventually. Persistent offenders and trolls get banned.
In the meantime, there is an ignore button to hide posts that you don't want to see. One click and all the bad stuff goes away.

I don't think we need more functions, just more moderation, as in a mod on board at all times if it's possible. I've seen it done and there are certainly educated, sensible and level headed people here could do the job.
VOTE THE NEVILLE FOR MOD!
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VOTE THE NEVILLE FOR MOD!

12.01 pm - made some tea
12.04 pm - decided to ban myself to see what would happen
12.05 pm - hmmmm something has gone wrong
12.06pm - SUDDENLY A WHALE
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12.04 pm - decided to ban myself to see what would happen
12.05 pm - hmmmm something has gone wrong
12.06pm - SUDDENLY A WHALE

what about a "report this" button that messages a mod. but the user who reported would stand to account if the report was done for little or no reason?
I suppose that would clog up the mods inbox at times.
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I suppose that would clog up the mods inbox at times.

Can't say I like the flag this on youtube, because I want to watch the racy videos.
but the thing is if someone reports an image with the reason "60kb" they should get a naughty step for abuse of the feature. Similarly if they flag for "contains gary glitter, offensive to victims of child abuse" they should also should be told to get tae fuck.
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but the thing is if someone reports an image with the reason "60kb" they should get a naughty step for abuse of the feature. Similarly if they flag for "contains gary glitter, offensive to victims of child abuse" they should also should be told to get tae fuck.

than I suggest you post it here:
b3ta.com/questions/bugs_and_feature_requests/
It might not be implemented, but the list does get looked at.
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Wed 21 May 2008, 1:52,
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b3ta.com/questions/bugs_and_feature_requests/
It might not be implemented, but the list does get looked at.

I replied to this post:
b3ta.com/questions/bugs_and_feature_requests/post160546
which is similar to what's been discussed here.
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Wed 21 May 2008, 1:59,
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b3ta.com/questions/bugs_and_feature_requests/post160546
which is similar to what's been discussed here.