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Whenever politics come up, I feel a need to justify liking Obama

'Err... well... Palin... she's a bit crazy...'

Am I getting old and jaded when I can't just say 'You know that Obama, I quite like him I do'

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Cadmus has teh uplikn coeds at, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:41, archived)

I like pizza

I wouldn't vote for it

(clut, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:42, archived)

Does pizza stand for election nowadays?

In my youth, only honest, local foods like pies and biscuits stood for election - now there's all sorts! Paella, curries, even noodles! Noodles in our halls of government?! What is the world coming to!?

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The Alchemist king of the needlessly complicated, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:47, archived)

I think Clut was being hypothetical

Or a knob. One of those.

(Seance Trumpet has got no beef with a man enjoying a croissant, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:51, archived)

It was analogous

or maybe just anal. One of those.

(clut, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:56, archived)

personality politics is death

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mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:43, archived)

This^

but would you not kill The Blears?

(Bluntphilly trying to loose wait, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:12, archived)

I like him. I think he is rational and articulate and patient and empathetic.

I also think he will herald in a new era of slightly reduced US political arrogance, and increased willingness to discuss, and increased willingness to try to genuinely understand and incorporate conflicting viewpoints on the international stage. I also think knee-jerk anti-abortionists are mental cunts.

I very much hope Obama will win.

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grey kid is breakdancing to save a community centre, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:45, archived)

Thanks for being less pissed than me

and outlining the reasons why I like him.

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Cadmus has teh uplikn coeds at, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:47, archived)

The beers are saved for our 3am election party. Complete with Sarah Palin pinata.

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grey kid is breakdancing to save a community centre, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:51, archived)

Merkin? Or just politcally minded/student?

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Cadmus has teh uplikn coeds at, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:51, archived)

Nah, British and have work in the morning. :P

I'm just mad fucking excited. And I have a lot of American friends an extended family.

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grey kid is breakdancing to save a community centre, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:54, archived)

^that with a fucking Samba band

balanced on elephants, celebrating furiously :)

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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:48, archived)

this must be where the war vets come in.

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god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:49, archived)

Scipio told the Carthaginians to get rid of all of their heffalumps after the third Punic war

But seriously, McCain was fairly reasonable as the Republican mind set goes, despite his Beach Boy "Bomb bomb Iran" antics; more or less telling the hard right to fuck off when his "conservative credentials" were called into question

but then he selects a right-wing religious red neck as Pallin as his running mate, extreme failure

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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:59, archived)

this is all get too much for me now, skippy in a cardigan????

also i very much share your view of the barking mad palin woman, she may be good at running her local council, but the free world, no thank you very much.

and with that me and my ignorance of the classics
are off to bed.

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god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:04, archived)

You misspelt Sambo ;)

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Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:52, archived)

I feel compelled to mention, pasted from a previous thang..;

Obama is extremely dangerous for numerous reasons.
He wants 'national service'.
He wants MORE troops in Aghanistan.
His chief political advisor is Zbigniew Brzezinski. Who's son advises McCain.
He still won't supply his original birth certificate.
He's received FOUR times the amount of corporate contribution than any other candidate. A large portion from Goldman Sachs.
His record while in the senate proves he did NOTHING.
His ties with Bill Ayers, Saul Alinsky and Raila Odinga.

Plus his proposal for the new 'carbon tax' which will cripple the US economy..more so.

Also, it's more than likely that he was born in Kenya, which represents a 'constitutional crisis'.

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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:01, archived)

You really are a fucking prat

and are aged about fifteen at a guess

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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:03, archived)

Everything I've listed above is true.

Sorry.

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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:04, archived)

Sorry?

For what? Do you sincerely think you are some herald or spokesman of the truth?

You are pathetic beyond belief

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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:11, archived)

Right, I'm off now.

Like I say, they're all facts.

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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:18, archived)

Fuck off

you are all that is pathetic and fucking wrong about this place encapsulated in the sorry shell of a prat

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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:33, archived)

you forgot

Rashid Khalidi

(clut, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:03, archived)

^this also.

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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:05, archived)

Now name one person who gets to that kind of position in politics without anything vaguely dodgy happening in their past.

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my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:07, archived)

None.

Which proves my point that he is EXACTLY the same as what has gone before.

I predict that he will be THE most hated president in history.

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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:09, archived)

I am sorry,

but where does this, "Also, it's more than likely that he was born in Kenya, which represents a 'constitutional crisis'." come from? Why is he more than likely born in Kenya?

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Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:13, archived)

Watch this.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0m0TiB738s

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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:16, archived)

Oh I see.

So he has ancestry in another country and that makes him of that country?

In that case, I am a Huguenot French man, because I have ancestry there? Despite the fact that I am an Irish Catholic?

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Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Wed 5 Nov 2008, 0:11, archived)

You're a knobber!

(Captain_lambkin adifferent.me, Wed 5 Nov 2008, 5:27, archived)

I love Obama

because he's not Pol Pot, sleet or herpes

(clut, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:01, archived)

i voted for him!

i'm even wearing a sticker that says "I Voted!"

(schnurricane forgot his password, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:11, archived)

this^

also, i'm still a little confused that it seems to matter an awful lot if a US politician fought in a war that the yanks lost or at least didn't win much, all i ever hear is war vet this war vet that, or maybe it's about saving animals and i'm missing the point.

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god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:46, archived)

I'd be more likely to vote for an ACTUAL vet.

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grey kid is breakdancing to save a community centre, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:48, archived)

i also like what you said up there

we live in hope that if he does get in american politics really won't have much of an impact on us, at least negatively.i think that's something i picked up from his campaign.

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god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:53, archived)

I don't get the military service thing

I appreciate people feel better if the person giving the orders has some insight into service life, but why doesn't this reach to other walks of life? Why is a candidate not talked down on education for not having been a teacher, or their healthcare ideas rubbished for not having worked in a hospital? Is the military really the single most important thing?

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Cadmus has teh uplikn coeds at, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:50, archived)

It's pathetic, isn't it?

Having willingly done, or been forced/pressured into doing, a dangerous job for a few years doesn't make you smarter or a stronger leader. In fact, I'd argue potentially quite the opposite.

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grey kid is breakdancing to save a community centre, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:52, archived)

Though weirdly enough I find it reassuring

when the royals do the military thing. I can't really put my finger on why. Maybe it's because they don't have anything to prove or earn by it?

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Cadmus has teh uplikn coeds at, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:59, archived)

Yes

Yes it is.

(Seance Trumpet has got no beef with a man enjoying a croissant, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:53, archived)

Commander in Chief

The President of the United States also carries that title and responsibility. As someone who has been fired at (and shackled by UN rule of engagement), led troops in combat and had to endure the crucible of the military, it means quite a bit to me.

However, it goes beyond simply 'character.' It drills down into the true patriotism of the candidate. Having felt called to serve my Nation since I was a little guy, I served this Nation, in, I feel (as do many others) the most intimate way possible: I offered to expose myself to possible death in order to protect and serve this Nation.

I am incredibly proud of my Service to this Nation. And when I see a man who has Served, been under fire AND emerged with the respect and admiration of his fellow soldiers/sailors/airmen and Marines, I know a great deal more about him, strictly by that similar shared experience.

THAT is what is important about McCain having served our Nation. Well, I say "Our" when in actuality I mean "My" because most of you dont live in this country.

Cheers.

Citadel

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Citadel Because the world needs less morons, Wed 5 Nov 2008, 3:27, archived)

Well, it might be to distinguish him from Bush, whose war record is not stellar

Also the POTUS is the Commander-In-Chief, so psychologically to voters he (or she :) is in charge of the armed forces. Maybe.

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The Alchemist king of the needlessly complicated, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:53, archived)

were ok then, the queen drove an army lorry in the war

and i believe prince charles marched up and down a bit in a uniform.

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god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 22:59, archived)

I think they try to give you non-frontline stuff

If you're in the direct line to the throne.

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Cadmus has teh uplikn coeds at, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:08, archived)

That's wrong-headed thinking!

Next time we go to war, I want Harry at the very front, on a horse waving a sword. Maybe he'll die, but that's what Princes are for.

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The Alchemist king of the needlessly complicated, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:15, archived)

He was a pretty bad pilot, crashed several times

he graduated near the bottom of his class at Annapolis (and if his father and grandfather weren't both admirals he would have been booted out for cause,) he was not a good officer in the Navy - known as a "hot-head troublemaker." He went on an unauthorized mission over Hanoi and was shot down. So he got lucky by being pulled out of the wreck and not drowned and became a POW. He soon was telling important details about his ship, his mission, etc. without even being tortured - his nickname was "Songbird." Because he was the son and grandson of famous admirals he was treated better than other POWs at the time. Other POWs who were there with him have said he is not qualified to be president just because he was a POW.

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tubaman, Tue 4 Nov 2008, 23:40, archived)